tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-65824198013511911922024-03-13T21:50:46.869-07:00The Truth, Life and the WayWay To Eternal LifeAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-65188960286855263972015-07-11T13:47:00.000-07:002015-07-11T13:47:59.258-07:00DECEIVERS or TRUTH? FIND out HERE!<h2>
Have I wronged YOU? Please call me to REPENT! BUT DO NOT DIE IN A BAPTIST LIE!
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<span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">As my spiritual godparents and teachers, Dr. Rodney
(Former Canadian Pres., FGBMFI) <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>and Mrs.
Cathy Lindsey of Nanaimo, B.C. had the good sense to say to me when I excitedly
attended Bible Study at their home clutching and believing the book: YE MUST BE
BORN AGAIN by Dr. Rice,</span></h4>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">I pray I can pass this VITAL information to the
lady below, you and SAVE YOUR ETERNAL LIFE!.</span></div>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">A Baptist Sister (<span style="color: red;">BS</span>)
said: </span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-theme-font: major-fareast; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">P</span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">erhaps you should preach the wo</span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-theme-font: major-fareast; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">rd to
those that you dislike and who have wronged you. By doing so you may find it in
your heart to forgive them and wouldn't have the need to battle with them.</span></div>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">Apostle Chris (<span style="color: #00b050;">AC</span>)
said: </span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-theme-font: major-fareast; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">Where did that come from?</span></div>
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<span style="color: red; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/marla.jones.96558"><span style="color: red; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">BS</span></a></span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">:
</span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-theme-font: major-fareast; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">I'm just saying that if you preach to those who need it then perhaps you
will see that forgiveness is a 2 way street as well. You appear to have much
anger towards some people and perhaps by sharing the word with them it will
help you to not have so much anger towards those you feel gave hurt you. I am
not angry at all. I am however observant and don't like seeing others struggle
with anger and resentment. My request at the beginning was about not adding me
to groups without permission. Showing respect was also requested.</span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"></span></div>
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to the battles you face with regards to you feeling wronged as a dad.....cop.
...your teeth...maximus. ..and any other person or Co. That you feel has
wronged. It's a</span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"> </span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-theme-font: major-fareast; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">lot to carry Chris....I hope..Truly. ..that
you find the answers you are seeking</span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="color: #00b050; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">AC</span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-theme-font: major-fareast; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">I believe you are wrong, I
have found the answers in God's Word, but am concerned about you, but mo</span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;">st
importantly so is God. Have I</span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-theme-font: major-fareast; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"> wronged you? If yes please tell me how. If
not then you obviously have no respect for me personally and my appointment NOT
from a Church or Religion but from God. So what is speaking, gossip or you
personally? Do you believe religious Baptist foolishness like, "Once saved
always saved (forgiven)?" Sin is disobedience to God's Ten Commandments,
not what some person says it is. The only way to forgiveness is to ask God for
His forgiveness in the Name of His Son, Jesus Christ and then ASK the Holy
Spirit in. </span></div>
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believe what was taught you? Here is Jesus teaching Nicodemus, properly
translated from the Companion Bible and Strong's Concordance. Please see for
yourself! It is NOT about being "Born Again" Please see </span><span class="Heading1Char"><span style="font-size: 16.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA;">John 3:1-21</span></span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-theme-font: major-fareast; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"> AND read the explanations.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US">How is it possible to know the TRUTH about
Bible scripture? Simply pray (ask) God for understanding and discernment. Give
yourself a gift of The King James Authorized Version, (KJV) COMPANION BIBLE
with its 198 Appendixes either imprint or online as above. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US">This is by far the best Bible I know of.
It's in the public domain, therefore not copyrighted or containing false
doctrines of any denomination. I was a seeker after God's truth for over 40
years and was misled by so many worldly denominations that I cried out to God
for His perfect truth. Prayer to God never goes unanswered! </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US">Now that you and I know about the COMPANION
BIBLE, you will also need a STRONG'S CONCORDANCE to the KJV Authorized Version
which is what the Companion Bible is. You need these two study aids to
correctly translate and transliterate the Hebrew language and customs of the
Old Testament and Greek of the New Testament to English.. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US">Now you have all YOU need to discover the
Truth of God's Word for yourself. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US">To know Truth you need to meet God the
Father, Son (Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit. How? Call on Him, aloud or in your
mind, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner." If
you prayed that or not, please come to YOUR ETERNAL LIFE (online at Facebook and
Blogger) to learn once again how to pass from eternal death to eternal life
(your salvation) and share what He has so freely given you.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One
thing you lack; pray (ask) God to send the Holy Spirit for your spiritual
wisdom, understanding, discernment and gifts. Now come to SABBATH NIGHT BIBLE
STUDIES (online on Facebook and Blogger) and join with fellow seekers and
believers who know and use the COMPANION BIBLE and STRONG'S CONCORDANCE so we
are all on the same PAGE of this, our Creator’s Love Letter to us, His people,
The Bible. And please share your journey to strengthen and support fellow
believers as I have done in obedience to God. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And may God Bless us with His wisdom to help
His people, in the Name of Jesus Christ. Amen? (I Agree)</span></div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/YOUR-Eternal-LIFE/507787109315269?fref=ts">
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<span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/YOUR-Eternal-LIFE/507787109315269?fref=ts">Your Eternal Life</a> : </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/SabbathNightBibleStudies?fref=ts">Sabbath Night Bible Studies</a>. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/SabbathNightBibleStudies?fref=ts">https://www.facebook.com/SabbathNightBibleStudies?fref=ts</a></span></div>
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<span style="color: red;">DO NOT BELIEVE DECEIVERS,YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE to GOD FOR ONLY YOURSELF!</span></div>
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In my former life, I had an intimate lady friend who sent me a card that on the front said, " Before I met you I never knew <b>sin</b>... " and when I opened it, it said, "could be such fun." Well that was a good laugh then, when I didn't believe in God. <br />
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Later I came to a point in my life that I cried out for mercy, to ask for my salvation and my eternal soul life. I said, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner." I began to think, what is sin?<br />
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<b>1.</b> (Christian Religious Writings / Theology) <i>Theol</i><br />
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<b>a.</b> transgression of God's known will or any principle or law regarded as embodying this</div>
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<b>2.</b> any serious offence, as against a religious or moral principle</div>
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<b>3.</b> any offence against a principle or standard</div>
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<b>live in sin</b> <i>Informal</i> (of an unmarried couple) to live together</div>
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<i>vb</i> <i>(intr)</i> <b>sins</b>, <b>sinning</b>, <b>sinned</b><br />
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<b>1.</b> (Christian Religious Writings / Theology) <i>Theol</i> to commit a sin</div>
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<b>2.</b> <i>(usually foll by against)</i> to commit an offence (against a person, principle, etc.)<br />
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[Old English <i>synn;</i> related to Old Norse <i>synth,</i> Old High German <i>suntea</i> sin, Latin <i>sons</i> guilty]</div>
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<b>sinner</b> <i>n</i></div>
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Finally, in prayer I was given the answer by the Holy Spirit;<br />
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<b>Sin is disobedience to God</b> and His Ten Commandments.<br />
Sin: is done upon God<br />
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And God has said that in order to be forgiven our sins against Him after He sent His Son, we must ask forgiveness in the Name of His Son, Jesus Christ, who shed His blood to pay a debt we could not.<br />
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That is how we are to obtain forgiveness of our sins. If sin is disobedience to God and we can only ask and receive forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ, then what is it when I do something against another person? I now believe that it is a:<br />
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<b>Trespass</b>: is done upon another.<br />
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<b>1.</b> <i>(often foll by on or upon)</i> to go or intrude (on the property, privacy, or preserves of another) with no right or permission</div>
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[from Old French <i>trespas</i> a passage, from <i>trespasser</i> to pass through, from <i>tres-</i> <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">trans-</span> + <i>passer</i>, ultimately from Latin <i>passus</i> a <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">pace</span><sup>1</sup>]</div>
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Temptation:<br />
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<b>2.</b> a person or thing that tempts</div>
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Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-68442107668328478062013-05-31T14:50:00.000-07:002013-05-31T14:50:21.039-07:00Man TRYING to Understand GOD<br />
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The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity" title="Christianity">Christian</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_theology" title="Christian theology">doctrine</a> of the <b>Trinity</b> defines <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Christianity" title="God in Christianity">God</a> as three divine persons or <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostasis_%28philosophy_and_religion%29" title="Hypostasis (philosophy and religion)">hypostases</a></i>:<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Catholic_Encyclopedia_1-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Catholic_Encyclopedia-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_the_Father" title="God the Father">Father</a>,<br />
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the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_the_Son" title="God the Son">Son</a> (<a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ" title="Jesus Christ">Jesus Christ</a>),<br />
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The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature".<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a></sup> A nature is <i>what</i> one is, while a person is <i>who</i> one is.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-3"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-3"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-4"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-5"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-5"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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The Trinity is considered to be a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_mysteries" title="Sacred mysteries">mystery</a> of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_in_Christianity" title="Faith in Christianity">Christian faith</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Catholic_Catechism_Trinity_6-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Catholic_Catechism_Trinity-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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According to this <b>doctrine</b>, there is only one God in three persons. <br />
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Each person is God, whole and entire. They are distinct from one another
in their relations of origin: as the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Lateran_Council" title="Fourth Lateran Council">Fourth Lateran Council</a>
declared, "it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and
the Holy Spirit who proceeds".<br />
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While distinct in their relations with
one another, they are one in all else.<br />
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The whole work of creation and
grace is a single operation common to all three divine persons, who at
the same time operate according to their unique properties, so that all
things are from the Father, through the Son and in the Holy Spirit.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Catholic_Catechism_Trinity_6-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Catholic_Catechism_Trinity-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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The three persons are co-equal, co-eternal and <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consubstantial" title="Consubstantial">consubstantial</a>.<br />
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Trinitarianism (one deity in three persons) contrasts with <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian" title="Nontrinitarian">nontrinitarian</a> positions which include <br />
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<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#Etymology"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Etymology</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#History"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">History</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#Theology"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Theology</span></a>
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<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#Biblical_background"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Biblical background</span></a>
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<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#Non-orthodoxy"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Non-orthodoxy</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#Artistic_depictions"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Artistic depictions</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#Nontrinitarianism"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Nontrinitarianism</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#See_also"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">See also</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#Extended_Notes"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Extended Notes</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#Endnotes_and_references"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Endnotes and references</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#Further_reading"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Further reading</span></a></li>
<li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#External_links"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">External links</span></a></li>
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The English word "Trinity" is derived from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin" title="Latin">Latin</a> "<i>Trinitas</i>," meaning "the number three, a triad".<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-7"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-7"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a></sup> This abstract noun is formed from the adjective "<i>trinus</i>" (three each, threefold, triple),<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-8"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-8"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a></sup> as the word "<i>unitas</i>" is the abstract noun formed from "<i>unus</i>" (one).<br />
The corresponding word in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language" title="Greek language">Greek</a> is "<i><span lang="grc">Τριάς</span></i>," meaning "a set of three" or "the number three".<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-9"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-9"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
The first recorded use of this Greek word in Christian theology (though not about the Divine Trinity) was by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophilus_of_Antioch" title="Theophilus of Antioch">Theophilus of Antioch</a> in about 170. He wrote:<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-10"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-10"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Fulton_11-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Fulton-11"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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"In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typology_%28theology%29" title="Typology (theology)">types</a> of the Trinity [<i><span lang="grc">Τριάδος</span></i>], of God, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos_%28Christianity%29" title="Logos (Christianity)">His Word</a>, and <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_God" title="Wisdom of God">His wisdom</a>. And the fourth is the type of man, who needs light, that so there may be God, the Word, wisdom, man."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-12"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-12"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian" title="Tertullian">Tertullian</a>, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early 3rd century, is credited as being the first to use the Latin words "Trinity",<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-13"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-13"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a></sup> "person" and "substance"<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-14"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a></sup> to explain that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are "one in essence—not one in Person."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-15"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="History">History</span> </h2>
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The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Period" title="Ante-Nicene Period">Ante-Nicene</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers" title="Church Fathers">Fathers</a>
affirmed Christ's deity and spoke of "Father, Son and Holy Spirit".
even though their language is not that of the traditional doctrine as
formalised in the fourth century. Trinitarians view these as elements of
the codified doctrine.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-16"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a></sup> <br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch" title="Ignatius of Antioch">Ignatius of Antioch</a> provides early support for the Trinity around 110,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-17"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-17"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a></sup> exhorting obedience to "Christ, and to the Father, and to the Spirit."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-18"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-18"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a></sup> <br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr" title="Justin Martyr">Justin Martyr</a>
(AD 100–ca.165) also writes, "in the name of God, the Father and Lord
of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy
Spirit."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-19"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-19"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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The first of the early church fathers to be recorded using the word "Trinity" was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophilus_of_Antioch" title="Theophilus of Antioch">Theophilus of Antioch</a> writing in the late 2nd century. He defines the Trinity as God, His Word (<i>Logos</i>) and His Wisdom (<i>Sophia</i>)<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-20"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-20"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a></sup>
in the context of a discussion of the first three days of creation.<br />
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The
first defence of the doctrine of the Trinity was in the early 3rd
century by the early church father <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian" title="Tertullian">Tertullian</a>.
He explicitly defined the Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and
defended the Trinitarian theology against the "Praxean" heresy.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-21"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-21"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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Although there is much debate as to whether the beliefs of the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles" title="Apostles">Apostles</a> were merely articulated and explained in the Trinitarian Creeds,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-JBing_22-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-JBing-22"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a></sup> or were corrupted and replaced with new beliefs,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-23"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-23"><span>[</span>23<span>]</span></a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-24"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-24"><span>[</span>24<span>]</span></a></sup>
all scholars recognize that the Creeds themselves were created in
reaction to disagreements over the nature of the Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. These controversies, however, were great and many, and took some
centuries to be resolved.<br />
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Of these controversies, the most significant developments were articulated in the first four centuries by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers" title="Church Fathers">Church Fathers</a><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-JBing_22-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-JBing-22"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a></sup> in reaction to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoptionism" title="Adoptionism">Adoptionism</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabellianism" title="Sabellianism">Sabellianism</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism" title="Arianism">Arianism</a>.<br />
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Adoptionism was the belief that Jesus was an ordinary man, born of
Joseph and Mary, who became the Christ and Son of God at his baptism. In
269, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synods_of_Antioch" title="Synods of Antioch">Synods of Antioch</a> condemned <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_of_Samosata" title="Paul of Samosata">Paul of Samosata</a> for his Adoptionist theology, and also condemned the term <i><a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoousios" title="Homoousios">homoousios</a></i> (ὁμοούσιος, "of the same being") in the sense he used it.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-25"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-25"><span>[</span>25<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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Sabellianism taught that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are
essentially one and the same, the difference being simply verbal,
describing different aspects or roles of a single being.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-26"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-26"><span>[</span>26<span>]</span></a></sup> For this view Sabellius was excommunicated for heresy in Rome c220.<br />
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In the fourth century, Arianism, as traditionally understood,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-27"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-27"><span>[</span>note 1<span>]</span></a></sup>
taught that the Father existed prior to Son who was not, by nature, God
but rather a changeable creature who was granted the dignity of
becoming "Son of God".<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-28"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-28"><span>[</span>27<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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In 325, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea" title="First Council of Nicaea">Council of Nicaea</a> adopted the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed" title="Nicene Creed">Nicene Creed</a>
which described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very
God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father." The
creed used the term <i>homoousios</i> (of one substance) to define the relationship between the Father and the Son. After more than fifty years of debate, <i>homoousios</i> was recognised as the hallmark of orthodoxy, and was further developed into the formula of "three persons, one being".<br />
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<a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasius" title="Athanasius">Athanasius</a>,
who was present at the Council as one of the Bishop of Alexandria's
assistants, stated that the bishops were forced to use this terminology,
which is not found in Scripture, because the Biblical phrases that they
would have preferred to use were claimed by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism" title="Arianism">Arians</a> to be capable of being interpreted in what the bishops considered to be a heretical sense.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-29"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-29"><span>[</span>28<span>]</span></a></sup> Moreover, the meanings of "<i>ousia</i>" and "<i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostasis_%28philosophy_and_religion%29" title="Hypostasis (philosophy and religion)">hypostasis</a></i>" overlapped then, so that "<i>hypostasis</i>" for some meant "<i>essence</i>" and for others "<i>person</i>."<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasius_of_Alexandria" title="Athanasius of Alexandria">Athanasius of Alexandria</a> (293–373) helped to separate the terms.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-30"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-30"><span>[</span>29<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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The Confession of the Council of Nicaea said little about the Holy Spirit.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-BEoWR_31-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-BEoWR-31"><span>[</span>30<span>]</span></a></sup> The doctrine of the divinity and personality of the Holy Spirit was developed by Athanasius in the last decades of his life.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-32"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-32"><span>[</span>31<span>]</span></a></sup> He defended and refined the Nicene formula.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-BEoWR_31-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-BEoWR-31"><span>[</span>30<span>]</span></a></sup> By the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_of_Caesarea" title="Basil of Caesarea">Basil of Caesarea</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_of_Nyssa" title="Gregory of Nyssa">Gregory of Nyssa</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_of_Nazianzus" title="Gregory of Nazianzus">Gregory of Nazianzus</a> (the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadocian_Fathers" title="Cappadocian Fathers">Cappadocian Fathers</a>), the doctrine had reached substantially its current form.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-BEoWR_31-2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-BEoWR-31"><span>[</span>30<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Theology">Theology</span> </h2>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Trinitarian_baptismal_formula">Trinitarian baptismal formula</span> </h3>
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In the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_Gospel" title="Synoptic Gospel">synoptic Gospels</a> the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_Jesus" title="Baptism of Jesus">baptism of Jesus</a>
is often interpreted as a manifestation of all three persons of the
Trinity: "And when Jesus was baptized, he went up immediately from the
water, and behold, the heavens were opened and he saw the spirit of God
descending like a dove, and alighting on him; and lo, a voice from
heaven, saying, 'This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.<span style="padding-right: .2em;">'</span>"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Mt%203:16%E2%80%9317;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Mt 3:16–17</a>]</sup></span> Baptism is generally conferred with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitarian_formula" title="Trinitarian formula">Trinitarian formula</a>, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Mt%2028:19;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Mt 28:19</a>]</sup></span>
Trinitarians identify this name with the Christian faith into which
baptism is an initiation, as seen for example in the statement of <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_the_Great" title="Basil the Great">Basil the Great</a>
(330–379): "We are bound to be baptized in the terms we have received,
and to profess faith in the terms in which we have been baptized." The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Constantinople" title="First Council of Constantinople">First Council of Constantinople</a>
(381) also says, "This is the Faith of our baptism that teaches us to
believe in the Name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
According to this Faith there is one Godhead, Power, and Being of the
Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Matthew%2028%3A19;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Matthew 28:19</a></span> may be taken to indicate that baptism was associated with this formula from the earliest decades of the Church's existence.</span></span><br />
<a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian" title="Nontrinitarian">Nontrinitarian</a> groups, such as <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostals" title="Oneness Pentecostals">Oneness Pentecostals</a>,
demur from the Trinitarian view on baptism. For them, the omission of
the formula in Acts outweighs all other considerations, and is a
liturgical guide for their own practice. For this reason, they often
focus on the baptisms in Acts, citing many<sup class="noprint Inline-Template" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words" title="Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words"><span title="The material near this tag may use weasel words or too-vague attribution. (February 2013)">which?</span></a></i>]</sup> authoritative theological works.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-33"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-33"><span>[</span>32<span>]</span></a></sup> Those who place great emphasis on the baptisms in Acts often likewise question the authenticity of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Matthew%2028%3A19;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Matthew 28:19</a></span> in its present form. Most scholars of New Testament <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textual_criticism" title="Textual criticism">textual criticism</a>
accept the authenticity of the passage, since there are no variant
manuscripts regarding the formula, and the extant form of the passage is
attested in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didache" title="Didache">Didache</a><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-patristics_34-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-patristics-34"><span>[</span>33<span>]</span></a></sup> and other <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patristic" title="Patristic">patristic</a> works of the 1st and 2nd centuries: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch" title="Ignatius of Antioch">Ignatius</a>,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-patristics1_35-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-patristics1-35"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a></sup> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian" title="Tertullian">Tertullian</a>,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-patristics2_36-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-patristics2-36"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span></a></sup> <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolytus_%28writer%29" title="Hippolytus (writer)">Hippolytus</a>,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-patristics3_37-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-patristics3-37"><span>[</span>36<span>]</span></a></sup> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprian" title="Cyprian">Cyprian</a>,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-patristics4_38-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-patristics4-38"><span>[</span>37<span>]</span></a></sup> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Thaumaturgus" title="Gregory Thaumaturgus">Gregory Thaumaturgus</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-patristics5_39-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-patristics5-39"><span>[</span>38<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
Commenting on <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Matthew%2028%3A19;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Matthew 28:19</a></span>, Gerhard Kittel states:<br />
<dl><dd>This threefold relation [of Father, Son and Spirit] soon found fixed expression in the triadic formulae in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=2Cor%2013%3A14;&version=;" rel="nofollow">2 Cor. 13:14</a></span> and in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=1Cor%2012%3A4%E2%80%936;&version=;" rel="nofollow">1 Cor. 12:4–6</a></span>. The form is first found in the baptismal formula in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Matthew%2028%3A19;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Matthew 28:19</a></span>;
Did., 7. 1 and 3....[I]t is self-evident that Father, Son and Spirit
are here linked in an indissoluble threefold relationship.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-kittel3_40-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-kittel3-40"><span>[</span>39<span>]</span></a></sup></dd></dl>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="One_God">One God</span> </h3>
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Christianity, having emerged from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism" title="Judaism">Judaism</a>, is a monotheistic religion. Never in the New Testament does the trinitarian concept become a "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritheism" title="Tritheism">tritheism</a>" (three Gods) nor even two.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Stagg_41-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Stagg-41"><span>[</span>40<span>]</span></a></sup> God is one, and that the Godhead is a single being is strongly declared in the Bible:<br />
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<li>The <i><a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shema" title="Shema">Shema</a></i> of the Hebrew Scriptures: "Hear, O Israel: <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord" title="The Lord">the L<small>ORD</small></a> our God, the L<small>ORD</small> is one."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Deut%206:4;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Deut 6:4</a>]</sup></span></span></li>
<li>The first of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments" title="Ten Commandments">Ten Commandments</a>—"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Deut%205:7;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">5:7</a>]</sup></span>.</span></li>
<li>and "Thus saith the L<small>ORD</small> the King of Israel and his redeemer the L<small>ORD</small> of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Isa%2044:6;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Isa 44:6</a>]</sup></span></span></li>
<li>In the New Testament: "The Lord our God is one."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Mk%2012:29;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Mk 12:29</a>]</sup></span></span></li>
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In the Trinitarian view, the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost
share the one essence, substance or being. The central and crucial
affirmation of Christian faith is that there is one savior, God, and one
salvation, manifest in Jesus Christ, to which there is access only
because of the Holy Spirit. The God of the Old Testament is still the
same as the God of the New. In Christianity, statements about a single
God are intended to distinguish the Hebraic understanding from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheism" title="Polytheism">polytheistic</a> view, which see divine power as shared by several beings, beings which can and do disagree and have conflicts with each other.<br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="God_in_three_persons">God in three persons</span> </h3>
In Trinitarian doctrine, God exists as three <i>persons</i> or <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostasis_%28philosophy_and_religion%29" title="Hypostasis (philosophy and religion)">hypostases</a></i>, but is one being, having a single divine nature.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-42"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-42"><span>[</span>41<span>]</span></a></sup> The members of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence, nature, power, action, and will. As stated in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed" title="Athanasian Creed">Athanasian Creed</a>, the Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated, and all three are eternal with no beginning.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-43"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-43"><span>[</span>42<span>]</span></a></sup> "The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" are not names for different parts of God, but one name for God<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-44"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-44"><span>[</span>43<span>]</span></a></sup> because three persons exist in God as one entity.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-45"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-45"><span>[</span>44<span>]</span></a></sup>
They cannot be separate from one another. Each person is understood as
having the identical essence or nature, not merely similar natures.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-46"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-46"><span>[</span>45<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
God has always loved, and there has always existed perfectly
harmonious communion between the three persons of the Trinity. One
consequence of this teaching is that God could not have created man to
have someone to talk to or to love: God "already" enjoyed personal
communion; being perfect, he did not create man because of a lack or
inadequacy he had. Another consequence, according to Rev. Fr. Thomas
Hopko, an Eastern Orthodox theologian, is that if God were not a
Trinity, he could not have loved prior to creating other beings on whom
to bestow his love. Thus God says, "Let <i>us</i> make man in <i>our</i>
image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and
the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over
all the creatures that move along the ground. So God created man in his
own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he
created them."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Gen%201:26%E2%80%937;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Gen 1:26–7</a>]</sup></span>
For Trinitarians, emphasis in Genesis 1:26 is on the plurality in the
Deity, and in 1:27 on the unity of the divine Essence. A possible
interpretation of Genesis 1:26 is that God's relationships in the
Trinity are mirrored in man by the ideal relationship between husband
and wife, two persons becoming one flesh, as described in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve" title="Eve">Eve</a>'s creation later in the next chapter.<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Genesis%202:22;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">2:22</a>]</sup></span></span></span><br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Perichoresis">Perichoresis</span> </h3>
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Main article: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perichoresis" title="Perichoresis">Perichoresis</a></div>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perichoresis" title="Perichoresis">Perichoresis</a>
from Greek ("going around", "envelopment") is a term used by some
theologians to describe the relationship between the members of the
Trinity. The Latin equivalent for this term is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perichoresis" title="Perichoresis">circumincessio</a>. This concept refers for its basis to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%2014%E2%80%9317;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">John 14–17</a></span>,
where Jesus is instructing the disciples concerning the meaning of his
departure. His going to the Father, he says, is for their sake; so that
he might come to them when the "other comforter" is given to them. Then,
he says, his disciples will dwell in him, as he dwells in the Father,
and the Father dwells in him, and the Father will dwell in them. This is
so, according to the theory of perichoresis, because the persons of the
Trinity "reciprocally contain one another, so that one permanently
envelopes and is permanently enveloped by, the other whom he yet
envelopes". (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_of_Poitiers" title="Hilary of Poitiers">Hilary of Poitiers</a>, <i>Concerning the Trinity</i> 3:1).<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-47"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-47"><span>[</span>46<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
Perichoresis effectively excludes the idea that God has parts, but rather is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_simplicity" title="Divine simplicity">simple being</a>.
It also harmonizes well with the doctrine that the Christian's union
with the Son in his humanity brings him into union with one who contains
in himself, in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle" title="Paul the Apostle">Apostle Paul</a>'s words, "all the fullness of deity" and not a part. (<i>See also: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinization_%28Christian%29" title="Divinization (Christian)">Divinization (Christian)</a></i>).
Perichoresis provides an intuitive figure of what this might mean. The
Son, the eternal Word, is from all eternity the dwelling place of God;
he is the "Father's house," just as the Son dwells in the Father and the
Spirit; so that, when the Spirit is "given", then it happens as Jesus
said, "I will not leave you as orphans; for I will come to you."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%2014:18;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">John 14:18</a>]</sup></span></span><br />
According to the words of Jesus, married persons are in some sense no longer two but are joined into one.<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Mark%2010:7%E2%80%938;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Mark 10:7–8</a>]</sup></span> Therefore, Orthodox theologians also see the marriage relationship as an image, or "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon" title="Icon">icon</a>"
of the Trinity, relationships of communion in which, in the words of
St. Paul, participants are "members one of another". As with marriage,
the unity of the church with Christ is similarly considered in some
sense analogous to the unity of the Trinity, following the prayer of
Jesus to the Father, for the church, that "they may be one, even as we
are one".<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%2017:22;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">John 17:22</a>]</sup></span></span></span><br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Eternal_generation_and_procession">Eternal generation and procession</span> </h3>
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Further information: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque" title="Filioque">Filioque</a></div>
Trinitarianism affirms that the Son is "begotten" (or "generated") of
the Father and that the Spirit "proceeds" from the Father, but the
Father is "neither begotten nor proceeds". The argument over whether the
Spirit proceeds from the Father alone, or from the Father and the Son,
was one of the catalysts of the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Schism" title="East-West Schism">Great Schism</a>, in this case concerning the Western addition of the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque_clause" title="Filioque clause">Filioque clause</a> to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed" title="Nicene Creed">Nicene Creed</a>. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that, in the sense of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin" title="Latin">Latin</a> verb <i>procedere</i> (which does not have to indicate ultimate origin and is therefore compatible with proceeding <i>through</i>), but not in that of the Greek verb ἐκπορεύεσθαι (which implies ultimate origin),<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-48"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-48"><span>[</span>47<span>]</span></a></sup>
the Spirit "proceeds" from the Father and the Son, and the Eastern
Orthodox Church, which teaches that the Spirit "proceeds" from the
Father alone, has made no statement on the claim of a difference in
meaning between the two words, one Greek and one Latin, both of which
are translated as "proceeds". The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church" title="Eastern Orthodox Church">Eastern Orthodox Churches</a>
object to the Filioque clause on ecclesiological and theological
grounds, holding that "from the Father" means "from the Father alone"<br />
This language is often considered difficult because, if used
regarding humans or other created things, it would imply time and
change; when used here, no beginning, change in being, or process within
time is intended and is excluded. The Son is generated ("born" or
"begotten"), and the Spirit proceeds, eternally. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo" title="Augustine of Hippo">Augustine of Hippo</a>
explains, "Thy years are one day, and Thy day is not daily, but today;
because Thy today yields not to tomorrow, for neither does it follow
yesterday. Thy today is eternity; therefore Thou begat the Co-eternal,
to whom Thou saidst, 'This day have I begotten Thee."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Ps%202:7;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Ps 2:7</a>]</sup></span></span><br />
Most Protestant groups that use the creed also include the Filioque
clause. However, the issue is usually not controversial among them
because their conception is often less exact than is discussed above<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (February 2013)">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup> (exceptions being the Presbyterian <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Confession" title="Westminster Confession">Westminster Confession</a> 2:3, the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist_Confession_of_Faith" title="Baptist Confession of Faith">London Baptist Confession</a> 2:3, and the Lutheran <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburg_Confession" title="Augsburg Confession">Augsburg Confession</a> 1:1–6, which specifically address those issues).<br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Economic_and_ontological_Trinity">Economic and ontological Trinity</span> </h3>
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The economic Trinity refers to the acts of the triune God with
respect to the creation, history, salvation, the formation of the
Church, the daily lives of believers, etc. and describes how the Trinity
operates within history in terms of the roles or functions performed by
each Person of the Trinity—God's relationship with creation. The
ontological (or essential or immanent) Trinity speaks of the interior
life of the Trinity<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%201:1%E2%80%932;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">John 1:1–2</a>]</sup></span>—the reciprocal relationships of Father, Son, and Spirit to each other without reference to God's relationship with creation.</span><br />
The ancient Nicene theologians argued that everything the Trinity
does is done by Father, Son, and Spirit working in unity with one will.
The three persons of the Trinity always work inseparably, for their work
is always the work of the one God. Because of this unity of will, the
Trinity cannot involve the eternal subordination of the Son to the
Father. Eternal subordination can only exist if the Son's will is at
least conceivably different from the Father's. But Nicene orthodoxy says
it is not. The Son's will cannot be different from the Father's because
it is the Father's. They have but one will as they have but one being.
Otherwise they would not be one God. If there were relations of command
and obedience between the Father and the Son, there would be no Trinity
at all but rather three gods.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-49"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-49"><span>[</span>48<span>]</span></a></sup>
On this point St. Basil observes "When then He says, 'I have not spoken
of myself,' and again, 'As the Father said unto me, so I speak,' and
'The word which ye hear is not mine, but [the Father's] which sent me,'
and in another place, 'As the Father gave me commandment, even so I do,'
it is not because He lacks deliberate purpose or power of initiation,
nor yet because He has to wait for the preconcerted key-note, that he
employs language of this kind. His object is to make it plain that His
own will is connected in indissoluble union with the Father. Do not then
let us understand by what is called a 'commandment' a peremptory
mandate delivered by organs of speech, and giving orders to the Son, as
to a subordinate, concerning what He ought to do. Let us rather, in a
sense befitting the Godhead, perceive a transmission of will, like the
reflexion of an object in a mirror, passing without note of time from
Father to Son."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-50"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-50"><span>[</span>49<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
In explaining why the Bible speaks of the Son as being subordinate to
the Father, the great theologian Athanasius argued that scripture gives
a "double account" of the son of God—one of his temporal and voluntary
subordination in the incarnation, and the other of his eternal divine
status.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-51"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-51"><span>[</span>50<span>]</span></a></sup>
For Athanasius, the Son is eternally one in being with the Father,
temporally and voluntarily subordinate in his incarnate ministry. Such
human traits, he argued, were not to be read back into the eternal
Trinity.<br />
Like Athanasius, the Cappadocian Fathers also insisted there was no
economic inequality present within the Trinity. As Basil wrote: "We
perceive the operation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be one and
the same, in no respect showing differences or variation; from this
identity of operation we necessarily infer the unity of nature."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-52"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-52"><span>[</span>51<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
Augustine also rejected an economic hierarchy within the Trinity. He
claimed that the three persons of the Trinity "share the inseparable
equality one substance present in divine unity".<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-53"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-53"><span>[</span>52<span>]</span></a></sup>
Because the three persons are one in their inner life, this means that
for Augustine their works in the world are one. For this reason, it is
an impossibility for Augustine to speak of the Father commanding and the
Son obeying as if there could be a conflict of wills within the eternal
Trinity.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin" title="John Calvin">John Calvin</a> also spoke at length about the doctrine of the Trinity. Like Athanasius and Augustine before him, he concluded that <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Philippians%202%3A4%E2%80%9311;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Philippians 2:4–11</a></span>
prescribed how scripture was to be read correctly. For him the Son's
obedience is limited to the incarnation and is indicative of his true
humanity assumed for human salvation.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-54"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-54"><span>[</span>53<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
Much of this work is summed up in the Athanasian Creed. This creed
stresses the unity of the Trinity and the equality of the persons. It
ascribes equal divinity, majesty, and authority to all three persons.
All three are said to be "almighty" and "Lord" (no subordination in
authority; "none is before or after another" (no hierarchical ordering);
and "none is greater, or less than another" (no subordination in being
or nature). Thus, since the divine persons of the Trinity act with one
will, there is no possibility of hierarchy-inequality in the Trinity.<br />
Catholic theologian <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rahner" title="Karl Rahner">Karl Rahner</a> went so far as to say:<br />
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"The 'economic' Trinity is the 'immanent' Trinity and the 'immanent' Trinity is the 'economic' Trinity."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-55"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-55"><span>[</span>54<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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<h3>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Logical_coherence">Logical coherence</span> </h3>
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In Christian tradition the Trinity is a mystery of faith revealed in
scripture, beyond human understanding. Theological explanations thus
tend to lack or avoid a logical or philosophical foundation. In his
explanation of the doctrine of the Trinity, <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine" title="Augustine">Augustine</a> pointed out that Jesus spoke in similitudes and would later reveal the Father more plainly.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-56"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-56"><span>[</span>55<span>]</span></a></sup>
Despite his lengthy exposition to explain the Trinity in light of
scripture, Augustine states that an explanation is beyond human
language, and that the definition of the Trinity as three persons is but
a similitude needed in order to express it.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-57"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-57"><span>[</span>56<span>]</span></a></sup> Augustine concludes that one must believe before one understands, and that the Trinity must remain unknown.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-58"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-58"><span>[</span>57<span>]</span></a></sup> After this conclusion Augustine then attempted to describe analogies of the Trinity in love itself and in the mind of man.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_of_Poitiers" title="Hilary of Poitiers">Hilary of Poitiers</a>
stressed that as God is infinite, eternal and omnipresent, his true
nature is unfathomable, and that "words cannot describe Him." He notes
that scripture states no one knows the Father except the Son.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-59"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-59"><span>[</span>58<span>]</span></a></sup>
As to how the Son could be begotten, and yet not be created, he admits
that it is a mystery, and confesses his ignorance at understanding it,
for the Son had not yet made revelation concerning this matter.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-60"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-60"><span>[</span>59<span>]</span></a></sup>
When Jesus said that He and His Father are one, he interprets it as one
nature, but two persons. Again it is a mystery: "There cannot be one
Person only, for He speaks not of Himself; and, conversely, They cannot
be separate and divided when the One speaks through the voice of the
Other. These words are the revelation of the mystery of Their unity."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-61"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-61"><span>[</span>60<span>]</span></a></sup> Because they share one nature the doctrine is "guiltless of ditheism."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-62"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-62"><span>[</span>61<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
Beginning around the 12th century, theology began to be influenced by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholasticism" title="Scholasticism">Scholasticism</a>, which is a method based on <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_reasoning" title="Dialectical reasoning">dialectical reasoning</a>. This can be seen in the works of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas" title="Thomas Aquinas">Thomas Aquinas</a>,
who thought that both faith and reason are necessary in Christian
theology. The names of Father, Son and Holy Spirit signify the
procession or emanation of the Divine. This act of procession is
comparable to how an idea is conceived in the intellect; and this came
forth from God as the Word. This can only be understood via similitudes,
and not literally understood through material bodies.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-63"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-63"><span>[</span>62<span>]</span></a></sup> Moreover, there are two processions in God, one of the intellect (the Word) and one of the will or love.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-64"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-64"><span>[</span>63<span>]</span></a></sup> In regards to the Trinity of persons, Aquinas lists the following objection:<br />
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"It would seem that there are not several persons in God. For person is <i>the individual substance of a rational nature.</i> If then there are several persons in God, there must be several substances; which appears to be heretical."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-65"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-65"><span>[</span>64<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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In answer to this objection, he redefines the word "person" as "a relation subsisting in the Divine nature."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Ibid_66-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Ibid-66"><span>[</span>65<span>]</span></a></sup> Thus properties found in God, such as goodness and wisdom, are distinguishable, but subsist together as one.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Ibid_66-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Ibid-66"><span>[</span>65<span>]</span></a></sup>
But then Aquinas comes to the question, Why three? And, three what? To
the first question, he answers because scripture says so, and to the
second question, he answers "three persons."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-67"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-67"><span>[</span>66<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
In contrast to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_of_Fiore" title="Joachim of Fiore">Joachim of Fiore</a>'s
historicization of the Trinity, there have been recent philosophical
attempts to defend the logical coherency of Trinity by men such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Geach" title="Peter Geach">Peter Geach</a>. Regarding the formulation suggested by Geach, not all philosophers would agree with its logical coherency.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (September 2012)">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup>
Geach suggested that "a coherent statement of the doctrine is possible
on the assumption that identity is "always relative to a sortal term".<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-RoutledgeEnc_68-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-RoutledgeEnc-68"><span>[</span>67<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
The Canadian philosopher-theologian, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lonergan" title="Bernard Lonergan">Bernard Lonergan</a>,
attempted to argue for the logical coherency of the Trinity by analogy
with the operations of the human subject (the psychological analogy).<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (September 2012)">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup>
It is chiefly in his work "The Triune God: Systematics" that he draws
on his abstract phenomenology to attempt to show this logical inner
coherency in the Trinity doctrine.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (September 2012)">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup> He saw himself as doing nothing more than standing in the tradition of <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine" title="Augustine">Augustine</a> and <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquinas" title="Aquinas">Aquinas</a> on this issue and not based on the Bible.<br />
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From the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament" title="Old Testament">Old Testament</a> the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_church" title="Early church">early church</a> retained the conviction that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism" title="Monotheism">God is one</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Rusch_1980_2_69-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Rusch_1980_2-69"><span>[</span>68<span>]</span></a></sup> The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament" title="New Testament">New Testament</a> does not use the word <i>Τριάς</i> (Trinity)<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-70"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-70"><span>[</span>69<span>]</span></a></sup>
nor explicitly teach the Nicene trinitarian doctrine, but there are
several passages which use twofold and threefold patterns to speak of
God. Binitarian passages include <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Romans" title="Epistle to the Romans">Rom.</a> 8:11, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Epistle_to_the_Corinthians" title="Second Epistle to the Corinthians">2 Cor.</a> 4:14, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Galatians" title="Epistle to the Galatians">Galatians</a> 1:1, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Ephesians" title="Epistle to the Ephesians">Eph.</a> 1:20, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_to_Timothy" title="First Epistle to Timothy">1 Tim.</a> 1:2, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_of_Peter" title="First Epistle of Peter">1 Pet.</a> 1:21, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Epistle_of_John" title="Second Epistle of John">2 John</a> 1:13. Passages which refer to the Godhead with a threefold pattern include <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew" title="Gospel of Matthew">Matt.</a> 28:19, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_to_the_Corinthians" title="First Epistle to the Corinthians">1 Cor.</a> 6:11 and 12:4ff., <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Galatians" title="Epistle to the Galatians">Gal.</a> 3:11–14, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Hebrews" title="Epistle to the Hebrews">Heb.</a> 10:29, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_of_Peter" title="First Epistle of Peter">1 Pet.</a> 1:2. These passages provided the material with which Christians would develop doctrines of the Trinity.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Rusch_1980_2_69-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Rusch_1980_2-69"><span>[</span>68<span>]</span></a></sup> Reflection by early Christians on passages such as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commission" title="Great Commission">Great Commission</a>: "Go therefore and make <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_%28Christianity%29" title="Disciple (Christianity)">disciples</a> of all nations, <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptizing" title="Baptizing">baptizing</a> them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Matt%2028:19;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Matt 28:19</a>]</sup></span> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle" title="Paul the Apostle">Paul the Apostle</a>'s blessing: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_of_God" title="Love of God">love of God</a> and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all,"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=2Corinthians%2013:14;&version=;" rel="nofollow">2 Cor. 13:14</a>]</sup></span> while at the same time the Jewish <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shema_Yisrael" title="Shema Yisrael">Shema Yisrael</a>: "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Deuteronomy%206:4;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Deuteronomy 6:4</a>]</sup></span><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-EB_71-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-EB-71"><span>[</span>70<span>]</span></a></sup>
led the early Christians to question how the Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit are "one". Later, the diverse references to God, Jesus, and the
Spirit found in the New Testament were systematized into a Trinity—one
God subsisting in three persons and one substance—to combat heretical
tendencies of how the three are related and to defend the church against
charges of worshiping two or three gods.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-OxfComp_72-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-OxfComp-72"><span>[</span>71<span>]</span></a></sup></span></span></span><br />
Some scholars dispute the idea that support for the Trinity can be
found in the Bible, and argue that the doctrine is the result of
theological interpretations rather than sound <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exegesis" title="Exegesis">exegesis</a> of scripture.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-McGrath1_73-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-McGrath1-73"><span>[</span>72<span>]</span></a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-74"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-74"><span>[</span>73<span>]</span></a></sup>
The concept was expressed in early writings from the beginning of the
2nd century forward, and other scholars hold that the way the New
Testament repeatedly speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
is such as to require one to accept a trinitarian understanding.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Stagg_41-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Stagg-41"><span>[</span>40<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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The earliest known depiction of the Trinity, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogmatic_Sarcophagus" title="Dogmatic Sarcophagus">Dogmatic Sarcophagus</a>, 350 AD<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-75"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-75"><span>[</span>74<span>]</span></a></sup> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Museums" title="Vatican Museums">Vatican Museums</a>.</div>
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The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum" title="Comma Johanneum">Comma Johanneum</a>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=1John%205%3A7;&version=KJV;" rel="nofollow">1 John 5:7</a></span>,
is a disputed text which states: "For there are three that bear record
in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are
one." However, this passage is not considered to be part of the genuine
text,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-76"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-76"><span>[</span>75<span>]</span></a></sup> and most scholars agree that the phrase was a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloss" title="Gloss">gloss</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-77"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-77"><span>[</span>76<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Jesus_as_God">Jesus as God</span> </h3>
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The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John" title="Gospel of John">Gospel of John</a> has been seen as especially aimed at emphasizing Jesus' divinity, presenting Jesus as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos" title="Logos">Logos</a>,
pre-existent and divine, from its first words, "In the beginning was
the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%201:1;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">John 1:1</a>]</sup></span><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-78"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-78"><span>[</span>77<span>]</span></a></sup> The Gospel of John ends with Thomas's apparent confession of faith to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%2020:28;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">John 20:28</a>]</sup></span><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-OxfComp_72-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-OxfComp-72"><span>[</span>71<span>]</span></a></sup> There is no significant tendency among modern scholars to deny that John 1:1 and John 20:28 identify Jesus with God.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-79"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-79"><span>[</span>78<span>]</span></a></sup> John also portrays Jesus as the agent of creation of the universe<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-80"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-80"><span>[</span>79<span>]</span></a></sup></span></span><br />
There are also a few possible biblical supports for the divinity of Jesus found in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_Gospels" title="Synoptic Gospels">Synoptic Gospels</a>. The Gospel of Matthew, for example, quotes Jesus as saying, "all things have been handed over to me by my Father".<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Mt%2011:27;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Mt 11:27</a>]</sup></span> This is similar to John, who wrote that Jesus said, "All that the Father has is mine".<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%2016:15;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">John 16:15</a>]</sup></span>
These verses have been quoted to defend the omnipotence of Christ,
having all power, as well as the omniscience of Christ, having all
wisdom.</span></span><br />
Expressions also in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_epistles" title="Pauline epistles">Pauline epistles</a>
have been interpreted as attributing divinity to Jesus. They include:
"For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or
authorities; all things were created by him and for him"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Colossians%201:16;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Colossians 1:16</a>]</sup></span> and "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form",<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Colossians%202:9;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Colossians 2:9</a>]</sup></span> and in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle" title="Paul the Apostle">Paul the Apostle</a>'s claim to have been "sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father".<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Galatians%201:1;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Galatians 1:1</a>]</sup></span><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-81"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-81"><span>[</span>80<span>]</span></a></sup></span></span></span><br />
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Some have suggested that John presents a hierarchy when he quotes Jesus as saying, "The Father is greater than I",<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%2014:28;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">14:28</a>]</sup></span> a statement which was appealed to by non-trinitarian groups such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism" title="Arianism">Arianism</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-82"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-82"><span>[</span>81<span>]</span></a></sup> </span><br />
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<span class="plainlinks">However, Church Fathers such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo" title="Augustine of Hippo">Augustine of Hippo</a> argued this statement was to be understood as Jesus speaking in the form of a man.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-83"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-83"><span>[</span>82<span>]</span></a></sup></span><br />
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As the Arian controversy was dwindling down, the debate moved from
the deity of Jesus Christ to the equality of the Holy Spirit with the
Father and Son. On one hand, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatomachi" title="Pneumatomachi">Pneumatomachi</a> sect declared that the Holy Spirit was an inferior person to the Father and Son. On the other hand, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadocian_Fathers" title="Cappadocian Fathers">Cappadocian Fathers</a> argued that the Holy Spirit was an equal person to the Father and Son.<br />
Although the main text used in defense of the deity of the Holy Spirit was Matthew 28:19, Cappadocian Fathers such as <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_the_Great" title="Basil the Great">Basil the Great</a>
argued from other verses such as "But Peter said, 'Ananias, why has
Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for
yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did
it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your
disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You
have not lied to men but to God.'"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Acts%205:3%E2%80%934;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Acts 5:3–4</a>]</sup></span><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-ReferenceA_84-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-ReferenceA-84"><span>[</span>83<span>]</span></a></sup></span><br />
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Another passage the Cappadocian Fathers quoted from was "By the word
of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all
their host."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Psalm%2033:6;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Psalm 33:6</a>]</sup></span>
According to their understanding, because "breath" and "spirit" in
Hebrew are both "רוּחַ" ("ruach"), Psalm 33:6 is revealing the roles of
the Son and Holy Spirit as co-creators. And since, according to them,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-ReferenceA_84-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-ReferenceA-84"><span>[</span>83<span>]</span></a></sup> because the holy God can only create holy beings such as the angels, the Son and Holy Spirit must be God.</span><br />
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Yet another argument from the Cappadocian Fathers to prove that the
Holy Spirit is of the same nature as the Father and Son comes from "For
who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is
in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the
Spirit of God."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=1Cor.%202:11;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">1Cor. 2:11</a>]</sup></span> They reasoned that this passage proves that the Holy Spirit has the same relationship to God as the spirit within us has to us.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-ReferenceA_84-2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-ReferenceA-84"><span>[</span>83<span>]</span></a></sup></span><br />
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The Cappadocian Fathers also quoted, "Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=1Cor.%203:16;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">1Cor. 3:16</a>]</sup></span>
and reasoned that it would be blasphemous for an inferior being to take
up residence in a temple of God, thus proving that the Holy Spirit is
equal with the Father and the Son.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-85"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-85"><span>[</span>84<span>]</span></a></sup></span><br />
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They also combined "the servant does not know what his master is doing"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%2015:15;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">John 15:15</a>]</sup></span> with 1 Corinthians 2:11 in an attempt to show that the Holy Spirit is not the slave of God, and therefore his equal.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-86"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-86"><span>[</span>85<span>]</span></a></sup></span><br />
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The Pneumatomachi contradicted the Cappadocian Fathers by quoting,
"Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of
those who are to inherit salvation?",<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Hebrews%201:14;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Hebrews 1:14</a>]</sup></span> in effect arguing that the Holy Spirit is no different than other created angelic spirits.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-CE:Pneumatomachi_87-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-CE:Pneumatomachi-87"><span>[</span>86<span>]</span></a></sup>
The Church Fathers disagreed, saying that the Holy Spirit is greater
than the angels, since the Holy Spirit is the one who grants the
foreknowledge for prophecy<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=1Cor.%2012:8%E2%80%9310;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">1Cor. 12:8–10</a>]</sup></span> so that the angels could announce events to come.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-ReferenceA_84-3"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-ReferenceA-84"><span>[</span>83<span>]</span></a></sup></span></span><br />
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In addition, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament" title="Old Testament">Old Testament</a> has also been interpreted as foreshadowing the Trinity,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-88"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-88"><span>[</span>87<span>]</span></a></sup> by referring to God's word,<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Ps%2033:6;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Ps 33:6</a>]</sup></span> his spirit,<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Isa%2061:1;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Isa 61:1</a>]</sup></span> and Wisdom,<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Prov%209:1;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Prov 9:1</a>]</sup></span> as well as narratives such as the appearance of the three men to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham" title="Abraham">Abraham</a>.<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Gen%2018;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Gen 18</a>]</sup></span><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-ODCC_89-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-ODCC-89"><span>[</span>88<span>]</span></a></sup>
However, it is generally agreed that it would go beyond the intention
and spirit of the Old Testament to correlate these notions directly with
later Trinitarian doctrine.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-CE:Trinity_90-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-CE:Trinity-90"><span>[</span>89<span>]</span></a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-ERTrinity_91-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-ERTrinity-91"><span>[</span>90<span>]</span></a></sup></span></span></span></span><br />
Some Church Fathers believed that a knowledge of the mystery was
granted to the prophets and saints of the Old Testament, and that they
identified the divine messenger of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Genesis%2016%3A7;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Genesis 16:7</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Gen%2021:17;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">21:17</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Gen%2031:11;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">31:11</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Exodus%203%3A2;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Exodus 3:2</a></span> and Wisdom of the sapiential books with the Son, and "the spirit of the Lord" with the Holy Spirit.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-CE:Trinity_90-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-CE:Trinity-90"><span>[</span>89<span>]</span></a></sup> Other Church Fathers, such as <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Nazianzen" title="Gregory Nazianzen">Gregory Nazianzen</a>, argued in his <i>Orations</i>
that the revelation was gradual, claiming that the Father was
proclaimed in the Old Testament openly, but the Son only obscurely,
because "it was not safe, when the Godhead of the Father was not yet
acknowledged, plainly to proclaim the Son."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-92"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-92"><span>[</span>91<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
Genesis 18–19 has been interpreted by Christians as a Trinitarian text.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-93"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-93"><span>[</span>92<span>]</span></a></sup> The narrative has the Lord appearing to Abraham, who was visited by three men.<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Gen%2018:1%E2%80%932;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Gen 18:1–2</a>]</sup></span> Then in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Genesis%2019;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Genesis 19</a></span>, "the two angels" visited <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_%28Bible%29" title="Lot (Bible)">Lot</a>
at Sodom. The interplay between Abraham on the one hand, and the
Lord/three men/the two angels on the other was an intriguing text for
those who believed in a single God in three persons. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr" title="Justin Martyr">Justin Martyr</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin" title="John Calvin">John Calvin</a> similarly, interpreted it such that Abraham was visited by God, who was accompanied by two angels.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Watson_94-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Watson-94"><span>[</span>93<span>]</span></a></sup>
Justin supposed that the God who visited Abraham was distinguishable
from the God who remains in the heavens, but was nevertheless identified
as the (monotheistic) God. Justin appropriated the God who visited
Abraham to Jesus, the second person of the Trinity.</span><br />
Augustine, in contrast, held that the three visitors to Abraham were the three persons of the Trinity.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Watson_94-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Watson-94"><span>[</span>93<span>]</span></a></sup> He saw no indication that the visitors were unequal, as would be the case in Justin's reading. Then in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Genesis%2019;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">Genesis 19</a></span>, two of the visitors were addressed by Lot in the singular: "Lot said to them, 'Not so, my lord.<span style="padding-right: .2em;">'</span>"<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Gen%2019:18;&version=KJV;" rel="nofollow">Gen 19:18 KJV</a>]</sup></span><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Watson_94-2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Watson-94"><span>[</span>93<span>]</span></a></sup> Augustine saw that Lot could address them as one because they had a single substance, despite the plurality of persons.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Augustine_95-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-Augustine-95"><span>[</span>94<span>]</span></a></sup> Some Christians see indications in the Old Testament of a plurality and unity in God, an idea that is rejected by Judaism.</span><br />
According to <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedenborg" title="Swedenborg">Swedenborg</a>,
the three angels which appeared to Abraham do represent the Trinity,
but a Trinity of one being: the Divine Itself, the Divine Human and the
Divine Proceeding. That one being is represented is indicated by the
fact that they are referred to in the singular as Jehovah and Lord.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-96"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-96"><span>[</span>95<span>]</span></a></sup>
The reason why only two of the angels went to visit Sodom and Gomorrah
is that they represent the Divine Human and the Divine Proceeding, and
to those aspects of the Divine belongs judgment, as Jesus declared that
all judgment was entrusted by the Father to the Son <a class="external text" href="http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=%20John&verse=5:22&src=%21" rel="nofollow">John 5:22</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-97"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-97"><span>[</span>96<span>]</span></a></sup>
The three angels did indeed appear to Abraham as three men, but they
are only a symbolic representation of the Trinity, which should not be
taken literally as three distinct persons. In the Old Testament,
Swedenborg finds the earliest direct reference to a Trine in the
Divinity in the account of Moses' encounter with the Lord in Exodus
which states, "And Jehovah passed by upon his face, and called, Jehovah,
Jehovah, a God merciful and gracious."<a class="external text" href="http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=%20Exodus&verse=34:6&src=%21" rel="nofollow">Exodus 34:6</a><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-98"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-98"><span>[</span>97<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
Some Christians interpret the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophany" title="Theophany">theophanies</a> or appearances of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_the_Lord" title="Angel of the Lord">Angel of the Lord</a> as revelations of a person distinct from God, who is nonetheless called God.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-99"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-99"><span>[</span>98<span>]</span></a></sup> This interpretation is found in Christianity as early as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr" title="Justin Martyr">Justin Martyr</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melito_of_Sardis" title="Melito of Sardis">Melito of Sardis</a>, and reflects ideas that were already present in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo" title="Philo">Philo</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-100"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-100"><span>[</span>99<span>]</span></a></sup> The Old Testament theophanies were thus seen as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophany" title="Christophany">Christophanies</a>, each a "preincarnate appearance of the Messiah".<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-101"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-101"><span>[</span>100<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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Non-orthodox views of the Christian trinitarian God have also been suggested by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_theology" title="Process theology">process theologians</a> like Lewis S. Ford, who endorse the entitative view of God as timeless and eternal <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrescence_%28process_philosophy%29" title="Concrescence (process philosophy)">concrescence</a>, but interpret the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_North_Whitehead" title="Alfred North Whitehead">Whiteheadian</a>
natures of God (primordial nature, consequent nature, and superjective
nature) in a trinitarian way. Other process theologians like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_A._Bracken" title="Joseph A. Bracken">Joseph A. Bracken</a> consider the three divines persons, each understood in the Neo-Whiteheadian societal view of God sensu <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Hartshorne" title="Charles Hartshorne">Charles Hartshorne</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ray_Griffin" title="David Ray Griffin">David Ray Griffin</a>, as constituting a primordial field of divine activity.<br />
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The Trinity is most commonly seen in Christian art with the Spirit
represented by a dove, as specified in the Gospel accounts of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_Jesus" title="Baptism of Jesus">Baptism of Christ</a>;
he is nearly always shown with wings outspread. However depictions
using three human figures appear occasionally in most periods of art.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-102"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-102"><span>[</span>101<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
By the end of the 15th century, larger representations, other than
the Throne of Mercy, became effectively standardised, showing an older
figure in plain robes for the Father, Christ with his torso partly bare
to display the wounds of his Passion, and the dove above or around them.
In earlier representations both Father, especially, and Son often wear
elaborate robes and crowns. Sometimes the Father alone wears a crown, or
even a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_tiara" title="Papal tiara">papal tiara</a>.<br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Nontrinitarianism">Nontrinitarianism</span> </h2>
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Nontrinitarianism (or antitrinitarianism) refers to monotheistic
belief systems, primarily within Christianity, which reject the doctrine
of the Trinity. Nontrinitarian views differ widely on the nature of
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Various nontrinitarian views, such as
Adoptionism, Monarchianism and Arianism existed prior to the formal
definition of the Trinity doctrine in 325, 360, and 431 AD, at the
Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, and Ephesus.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-103"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-103"><span>[</span>102<span>]</span></a></sup> Nontrinitarianism was later renewed in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism" title="Gnosticism">Gnosticism</a> of the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars" title="Cathars">Cathars</a> in the 11th through 13th centuries, in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment" title="Age of Enlightenment">Age of Enlightenment</a> of the 18th century, and in some groups arising during the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Awakening" title="Second Great Awakening">Second Great Awakening</a> of the 19th century.<br />
Modern nontrinitarian groups or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination" title="Christian denomination">denominations</a> include <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christadelphians" title="Christadelphians">Christadelphians</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science" title="Christian Science">Christian Scientists</a>, <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints" title="Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints">The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons)</a>, <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_Bible_Students" title="Dawn Bible Students">Dawn Bible Students</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_General_Conference" title="Friends General Conference">Friends General Conference</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iglesia_ni_Cristo" title="Iglesia ni Cristo">Iglesia ni Cristo</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses" title="Jehovah's Witnesses">Jehovah's Witnesses</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Luz_del_Mundo" title="La Luz del Mundo">La Luz del Mundo</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Church_of_God" title="Living Church of God">Living Church of God</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism" title="Oneness Pentecostalism">Oneness Pentecostals</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_Church_of_God_International" title="Members Church of God International">Members Church of God International</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalist_Christian_Fellowship" title="Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship">Unitarian Universalist Christians</a> and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_God" title="United Church of God">United Church of God</a>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam" title="Islam">Islam</a>, which considers Jesus a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_in_Islam" title="Prophets in Islam">prophet</a> but not divine,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-104"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-104"><span>[</span>103<span>]</span></a></sup> teaches the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid" title="Tawhid">absolute indivisibility</a> of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah" title="Allah">supremely sovereign and transcendent god</a> (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Islam" title="God in Islam">God in Islam</a>),<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-105"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-105"><span>[</span>104<span>]</span></a></sup> and is distinctly <i>anti</i>-trinitarian as several verses of the Koran teach that the doctrine of Trinity is blasphemous.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-106"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_note-106"><span>[</span>105<span>]</span></a></sup><br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="See_also">See also</span> </h2>
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<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahura" title="Ahura">Ahura</a>, the Zoroastrian Trinity</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar" title="Avatar">Avatar</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyavazhi_Trinity" title="Ayyavazhi Trinity">Ayyavazhi Trinity</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_the_Holy_Spirit" title="Cult of the Holy Spirit">Cult of the Holy Spirit</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Trinity" title="Islamic view of the Trinity">Islamic view of the Trinity</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shituf" title="Shituf">Shituf</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Trinity" title="Social Trinity">Social Trinity</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trikaya" title="Trikaya">Trikaya</a>, the three Buddha bodies</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitarian_Order" title="Trinitarian Order">Trinitarian Order</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitarian_Universalism" title="Trinitarian Universalism">Trinitarian Universalism</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_deity" title="Triple deity">Triple deity</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimurti" title="Trimurti">Trimurti</a>, the Hindu Trinity</li>
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<li id="cite_note-27"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-27">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Very
little of Arius' own writings have survived. We depend largely on
quotations made by opponents which reflect what they thought he was
saying. Furthermore, there was no single Arian party or agenda but
rather various critics of the Nicene formula working from distinct
perspectives.(see Williams, Rowan. <i>Arius</i> SPCK (2nd edn, 2001) p.95ff & pp.247ff)</span></li>
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<li id="cite_note-Catholic_Encyclopedia-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Catholic_Encyclopedia_1-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">See discussion in <img alt="" height="13" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg/12px-Wikisource-logo.svg.png" width="12" /> <span class="citation encyclopaedia">"<a class="extiw" href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_%281913%29/Person" title="wikisource:Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Person">Person</a>". <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia" title="Catholic Encyclopedia">Catholic Encyclopedia</a></i>. New York: Robert Appleton Company. 1913.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=Person&rft.date=1913&rft.genre=bookitem&rft.place=New+York&rft.pub=Robert+Appleton+Company&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Definition of the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Lateran_Council" title="Fourth Lateran Council">Fourth Lateran Council</a> quoted in <a class="external text" href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P17.HTM#1FT" rel="nofollow">Catechism of the Catholic Church, 253</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-3">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a class="external text" href="http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2011/fsheed_trinityts_may2011.asp" rel="nofollow">Frank Sheed, <i>Theology and Sanity</i></a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-4">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a class="external text" href="http://www.credoindeum.org/thetrinity" rel="nofollow">Understanding the Trinity</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-5">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a class="external text" href="http://quizlet.com/13288028/baltimore-catechism-no-1-lesson-7-flash-cards/" rel="nofollow">Baltimore Catechism, No. 1, Lesson 7</a></span></li>
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<li id="cite_note-17"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-17">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Eusebius of Caesarea, <i>Church History</i> iii.36</span></li>
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<li id="cite_note-20"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-20">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Theophilus, Apologia ad Autolycum, Book II, Chapter 15</span></li>
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<li id="cite_note-29"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-29">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://www.tertullian.org/fathers2/NPNF2-04/Npnf2-04-34.htm#TopOfPage" rel="nofollow">"Athanasius: De Decretis or Defence of the Nicene Definition, Introduction, 19"</a>. Tertullian.org. 2004-08-06<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2012-01-02</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=Athanasius%3A+De+Decretis+or+Defence+of+the+Nicene+Definition%2C+Introduction%2C+19&rft.date=2004-08-06&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tertullian.org%2Ffathers2%2FNPNF2-04%2FNpnf2-04-34.htm%23TopOfPage&rft.pub=Tertullian.org&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
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<li id="cite_note-patristics-34"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-patristics_34-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">7:1, 3 <a class="external text" href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm" rel="nofollow">online</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-patristics1-35"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-patristics1_35-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>Epistle to the Philippians</i>, 2:13 <a class="external text" href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.v.xvii.ii.html" rel="nofollow">online</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-patristics2-36"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-patristics2_36-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>On Baptism</i> 8:6 <a class="external text" href="http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-03/anf03%E2%80%9349.htm#P11646_3280473" rel="nofollow">online</a>, <i>Against Praxeas</i>, 26:2 <a class="external text" href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0317.htm" rel="nofollow">online</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-patristics3-37"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-patristics3_37-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>Against Noetus</i>, 1:14 <a class="external text" href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0521.htm" rel="nofollow">online</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-patristics4-38"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-patristics4_38-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>Seventh Council of Carthage</i> <a class="external text" href="http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-05/anf05%E2%80%93124.htm#P9402_2932994" rel="nofollow">online</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-patristics5-39"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-patristics5_39-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>A Sectional Confession of Faith</i>, 13:2 <a class="external text" href="http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-06/anf06%E2%80%9314.htm#P784_222567" rel="nofollow">online</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-kittel3-40"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-kittel3_40-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Kittel, 3:108.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-Stagg-41"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Stagg_41-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Stagg_41-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text">Stagg, Frank. <i>New Testament Theology.</i> Broadman Press, 1962. <a class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780805416138">ISBN 978-0-8054-1613-8</a>, pp. 38 ff.</span></li>
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<li id="cite_note-45"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-45">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Thomas, and Anton Charles Pegis. 1997. <i>Basic writings of Saint Thomas Aquinas</i>. Indianapolis, Indiana: Hackett Pub. Pages 307–9.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-46"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-46">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">For 'person', see<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_De_Smet" title="Richard De Smet">Richard De Smet</a>, <i>A Short History of the Person</i>, available in <i>Brahman and Person: Essays by Richard De Smet</i>, ed. Ivo Coelho (Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 2010).</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-47"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-47">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf209.ii.v.ii.iii.html" rel="nofollow">"NPNF2-09. Hilary of Poitiers, John of Damascus | Christian Classics Ethereal Library"</a>. Ccel.org. 2005-07-13<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2012-01-02</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=NPNF2-09.+Hilary+of+Poitiers%2C+John+of+Damascus+%26%23124%3B+Christian+Classics+Ethereal+Library&rft.date=2005-07-13&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccel.org%2Fccel%2Fschaff%2Fnpnf209.ii.v.ii.iii.html&rft.pub=Ccel.org&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-48"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-48">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a class="external text" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091026205632/http://www.geocities.com/trvalentine/orthodox/vatican_clar_images.html" rel="nofollow">Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity: The Greek and the Latin Traditions regarding the Procession of the Holy Spirit</a> (scanned image of the English translation on <i>L'Osservatore Romano</i> of 20 September 1995); also <a class="external text" href="http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/8410/filioque.html&date=2009-10-25+05:54:33" rel="nofollow">text with Greek letters transliterated</a> and <a class="external text" href="http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PCCUFILQ.HTM" rel="nofollow">text
omitting two sentences at the start of the paragraph that it presents
as beginning with "The Western tradition expresses first ..."</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-49"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-49">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Cary" title="Phillip Cary">Phillip Cary</a>, Priscilla Papers Vol. 20, No. 4, Autumn 2006</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-50"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-50">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf208.vii.ix.html" rel="nofollow">"Basil the Great, De Spiritu Sancto, NPNF, Vol 8"</a>. Ccel.org. 2005-07-13<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2012-01-02</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=Basil+the+Great%2C+De+Spiritu+Sancto%2C+NPNF%2C+Vol+8&rft.date=2005-07-13&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccel.org%2Fccel%2Fschaff%2Fnpnf208.vii.ix.html&rft.pub=Ccel.org&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-51"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-51">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Athanasius, 3.29 (p. 409)</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-52"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-52">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Basil "Letters", NPNF, Vol 8, 189.7 (p. 32)</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-53"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-53">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Hill, De Trinitate, 2.15</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-54"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-54">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">P. van Buren, Christ in Our Place (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1957), p. 38</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-55"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-55">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">K. Rahner, <a class="external text" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=HjXG4FEr_J0C" rel="nofollow"><i>The Trinity</i></a> (Herder & Herder:1970) <a class="external text" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=HjXG4FEr_J0C&pg=PA22&dq=%22might+be+formulated+as+follows%22&hl=it&sa=X&ei=WMJdT-78HcaZOpK0iPcM&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22might%20be%20formulated%20as%20follows%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">p.22</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-56"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-56">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Augustine, <i>On the Trinity</i>, book I, ch. 10.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-57"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-57">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>op. cit.</i>, book IV, ch. 21; book V, ch. 9; book VII, ch. 4.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-58"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-58">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>op. cit.</i>, book VIII, ch. 5.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-59"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-59">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Hilary, <i>On the Trinity</i>, book II, n. 6.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-60"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-60">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>op. cit.</i>, book II, n. 8-9.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-61"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-61">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>op. cit.</i>, book VII, n. 40.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-62"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-62">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>op. cit.</i>, book VII, n. 41.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-63"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-63">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Aquinas, <i>Summa Theologica</i>, Q. 27, Art. 1.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-64"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-64">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>op. cit.</i>, Q. 27, Art. 5.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-65"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-65">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>op. cit.</i>, Q. 30, Art. 1.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-Ibid-66"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Ibid_66-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Ibid_66-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>Ibid.</i></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-67"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-67">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>op. cit.</i>, Q. 30, Art. 2.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-RoutledgeEnc-68"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-RoutledgeEnc_68-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy Online, on Trinity, <a class="external text" href="http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/K105?ssid=102691941&n=1#" rel="nofollow">Link</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-Rusch_1980_2-69"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Rusch_1980_2_69-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Rusch_1980_2_69-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation book">Rusch, William G. (1980). <a class="external text" href="http://www.questia.com/library/119008634/the-trinitarian-controversy" rel="nofollow">"Introduction"</a>. In Rusch, William G. <i>The Trinitarian Controversy</i>. Minneapolis: <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_Press" title="Fortress Press">Fortress Press</a><span style="color: #555555; font-size: 0.95em; font-size: 90%;">(subscription required)</span>. p. 2.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.atitle=The+Trinitarian+Controversy&rft.aufirst=William+G.&rft.aulast=Rusch&rft.au=Rusch%2C+William+G.&rft.btitle=Introduction&rft.date=1980&rft.genre=bookitem&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.questia.com%2Flibrary%2F119008634%2Fthe-trinitarian-controversy&rft.pages=2&rft.place=Minneapolis&rft.pub=Fortress+Press%3Cspan+style%3D%22font-size%3A0.95em%3B+font-size%3A+90%25%3B+color%3A+%23555%22%3E%28subscription+required%29%3C%2Fspan%3ECategory%3APages+containing+links+to+subscription-only+content&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-70"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-70">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">"Neither
the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament
... the New Testament established the basis for the doctrine of the
Trinity"<a class="external text" href="http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9073399/Trinity" rel="nofollow">(Encyclopædia Britannica Online: article <i>Trinity</i>).</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-EB-71"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-EB_71-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9073399/Trinity" rel="nofollow">"Trinity"</a>. Britannica.com<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2012-01-02</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=Trinity&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.britannica.com%2Feb%2Farticle-9073399%2FTrinity&rft.pub=Britannica.com&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-OxfComp-72"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-OxfComp_72-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-OxfComp_72-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text">The Oxford Companion to the Bible (ed. Bruce Metzger and Michael Coogan) 1993, p. 782–3.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-McGrath1-73"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-McGrath1_73-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alister_McGrath" title="Alister McGrath">McGrath, Alister E.</a><i>Understanding the Trinity.</i> Zondervan, 9789 <a class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0310296811">ISBN 0-310-29681-1</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-74"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-74">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Harris, Stephen L. <i>Understanding the Bible.</i> Mayfield Publishing: 2000. pp. 427–428</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-75"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-75">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>See</i> <a class="external text" href="http://www.zenit.org/article-26288?l=english" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Lev, "Dimming the Pauline Spotlight; Jubilee Fruits", 2009</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-76"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-76">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">See, for instance, the note in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=1John%205%3A7%E2%80%938;&version=;" rel="nofollow">1 Jn 5:7-8</a></span>.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-77"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-77">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Bruce M. Metzger, <i>The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration, 2d ed. Oxford University</i>, 1968 p.101</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-78"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-78">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A29321381" rel="nofollow">"The Presentation of Jesus in John's Gospel"</a>. Bbc.co.uk<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2012-01-02</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=The+Presentation+of+Jesus+in+John%27s+Gospel&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fdna%2Fh2g2%2FA29321381&rft.pub=Bbc.co.uk&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-79"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-79">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Brown, Raymond E. <i>The Anchor Bible: The Gospel According to John</i> (XIII–XXI), pp. 1026, 1032</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-80"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-80">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Hoskyns, Edwyn Clement (ed Davey F.N.) <i>The Fourth Gospel</i> Faber & Faber, 1947 p.142 commenting on "without him was not any thing made that was made."<span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=John%201:3;&version=ESV;" rel="nofollow">John 1:3</a>]</sup></span></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-81"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-81">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a class="external text" href="http://www.dioceseduluth.org/cmanager/File/Catechesis/Aug%20%2708%20-%20Veritatis%20Splendor.pdfSt." rel="nofollow">Paul helps us understand truths about Jesus</a><sup class="noprint Inline-Template"><span style="white-space: nowrap;" title=" since January 2012">[<i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Link_rot" title="Wikipedia:Link rot">dead link</a></i>]</span></sup></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-82"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-82">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Simonetti, Manlio. "Matthew 14–28." New Testament Volume 1b, <i>Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture.</i> Intervarsity Press, 2002. <a class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780830814695">ISBN 978-0-8308-1469-5</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-83"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-83">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">St. Augustine of Hippo,<i>De Trinitate</i>, Book I, Chapter 3.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-ReferenceA-84"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-ReferenceA_84-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-ReferenceA_84-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-ReferenceA_84-2"><sup><i><b>c</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-ReferenceA_84-3"><sup><i><b>d</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text">St. Basil the Great,<i>On the Holy Spirit</i> Chapter 16.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-85"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-85">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">St. Basil the Great, <i>On the Holy Spirit</i> Chapter 19.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-86"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-86">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">St. Basil the Great, <i>On the Holy Spirit</i> Chapter 21.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-CE:Pneumatomachi-87"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-CE:Pneumatomachi_87-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12174a.htm" rel="nofollow">"Catholic Encyclopedia: article ''Pneumatomachi''"</a>. Newadvent.org. 1911-06-01<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2012-01-02</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=Catholic+Encyclopedia%3A+article+%27%26%2339%3BPneumatomachi%27%26%2339%3B&rft.date=1911-06-01&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newadvent.org%2Fcathen%2F12174a.htm&rft.pub=Newadvent.org&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-88"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-88">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Wisdom#Messianic_interpretation_by_Christians" title="Book of Wisdom">Book of Wisdom#Messianic interpretation by Christians</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-ODCC-89"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-ODCC_89-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (Oxford University Press, 2005 <a class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780192802903">ISBN 978-0-19-280290-3</a>), article <i>Trinity, doctrine of the</i></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-CE:Trinity-90"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-CE:Trinity_90-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-CE:Trinity_90-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm" rel="nofollow">"Catholic Encyclopedia: article ''The Blessed Trinity''"</a>. Newadvent.org. 1912-10-01<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2012-01-02</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=Catholic+Encyclopedia%3A+article+%27%26%2339%3BThe+Blessed+Trinity%27%26%2339%3B&rft.date=1912-10-01&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newadvent.org%2Fcathen%2F15047a.htm&rft.pub=Newadvent.org&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-ERTrinity-91"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-ERTrinity_91-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">"Encyclopedia of Religion", Vol. 14, p.9360, on Trinity</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-92"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-92">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Gregory Nazianzen, <i>Orations</i>, 31.26</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-93"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-93">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">For the two chapters as a single text, see <a class="external text" href="http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=t92-lwQVwrAC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=abraham+trinity+genesis&ots=c2dCxTAmG_&sig=BmRsq6HaklZCFSkRtm9gBmxsPAg#PPA37,M1Letellier," rel="nofollow">Robert. <i>Day in Mamre, night in Sodom: Abraham and Lot in Genesis 18 and 19.</i></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brill_Publishers" title="Brill Publishers">Brill Publishers</a>: 1995.ISBN 978-90-04-10250-7 pp.37ff. Web: 9 January 2010</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-Watson-94"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Watson_94-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Watson_94-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Watson_94-2"><sup><i><b>c</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/journals/ssr/issues/volume2/number3/ssr02-03-e02.html" rel="nofollow">"Francis Watson, Abraham's Visitors (The Journal of Scriptural Reasoning, Number 2.3, September 2002"</a>. Etext.lib.virginia.edu<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2012-01-02</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=Francis+Watson%2C+Abraham%27s+Visitors+%28The+Journal+of+Scriptural+Reasoning%2C+Number+2.3%2C+September+2002&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fetext.lib.virginia.edu%2Fjournals%2Fssr%2Fissues%2Fvolume2%2Fnumber3%2Fssr02-03-e02.html&rft.pub=Etext.lib.virginia.edu&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-Augustine-95"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-Augustine_95-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Augustine
had poor knowledge of the Greek language, and no knowledge of Hebrew.
So he trusted the LXX Septuagint, which differentiates between <span lang="grc">κύριοι</span><span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Gen%2019:2;&version=KJV;" rel="nofollow">Gen 19:2</a>]</sup></span> ('lords', vocative plural) and<span lang="grc">κύριε</span><span class="plainlinks"><span style="color: mediumblue;"><sup>[<a class="external text" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Gen%2019:18;&version=KJV;" rel="nofollow">Gen 19:18</a>]</sup></span> ('lord', vocative singular), even if the Hebrew verbal form,<span class="script-hebrew" dir="rtl" lang="he" style="font-family: 'SBL Hebrew', David, Narkisim, 'Times New Roman', 'Ezra SIL SR', FrankRuehl, 'Microsoft Sans Serif', 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 125%;">נא-אדני</span> (<i>na-adoni</i>), is exactly the same in both cases.</span></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-96"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-96">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Swedenborg, Emanuel. <i>Heavenly Arcana</i>, 1749-58. Rotch Edition. New York: Houghton, Mifflin and Company, 1907, in the <i>Divine Revelation of the New Jerusalem</i> (2012), n. 2149, 2156, 2218.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-97"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-97">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Swedenborg, n. 2319-2320.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-98"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-98">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Swedenborg, n. 10617.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-99"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-99">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a class="external text" href="http://www.biblicalresources.info/pages/ot1/trinityot.html" rel="nofollow">The Trinity in the Old Testament</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-100"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-100">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a class="external text" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=k32wZRMxltUC" rel="nofollow">Larry
W. Hurtado, Lord Jesus Christ: Devotion to Jesus in Earliest
Christianity. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 2005 ISBN 0-8028-3167-2</a> pp. 573–578</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-101"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-101">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://www.studylight.org/dic/bed/view.cgi?n=33" rel="nofollow">"Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology: ''Angel of the Lord''"</a>. Studylight.org<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2012-01-02</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=Baker%27s+Evangelical+Dictionary+of+Biblical+Theology%3A+%27%26%2339%3BAngel+of+the+Lord%27%26%2339%3B&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.studylight.org%2Fdic%2Fbed%2Fview.cgi%3Fn%3D33&rft.pub=Studylight.org&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-102"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-102">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">See below and G Schiller,<i>Iconography of Christian Art, Vol. I</i>, 1971, Vol II, 1972, (English trans from German), Lund Humphries, London, figs I;5–16 & passim, <a class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0853312702">ISBN 0-85331-270-2</a> and <a class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0853313245">ISBN 0-85331-324-5</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-103"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-103">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_von_Harnack" title="Adolf von Harnack">von Harnack, Adolf</a> (1894-03-01). <a class="external text" href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/harnack/dogma1.ii.iii.iii.html" rel="nofollow">"History of Dogma"</a><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved 2007-06-15</span>.
"[In the 2nd century,] Jesus was either regarded as the man whom God
hath chosen, in whom the Deity or the Spirit of God dwelt, and who,
after being tested, was adopted by God and invested with dominion,
(Adoptionist Christology); or Jesus was regarded as a heavenly spiritual
being (the highest after God) who took flesh, and again returned to
heaven after the completion of his work on earth (pneumatic
Christology)"</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.aufirst=Adolf&rft.aulast=von+Harnack&rft.au=von+Harnack%2C+Adolf&rft.btitle=History+of+Dogma&rft.date=1894-03-01&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccel.org%2Fccel%2Fharnack%2Fdogma1.ii.iii.iii.html&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-104"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-104">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation book">Glassé, Cyril; Smith, Huston (2003). <i>The New Encyclopedia of Islam</i>. Rowman Altamira. pp. 239–241. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0759101906" title="Special:BookSources/0759101906">0759101906</a>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.aufirst=Cyril&rft.au=Glass%C3%A9%2C+Cyril&rft.aulast=Glass%C3%A9&rft.au=Smith%2C+Huston&rft.btitle=The+New+Encyclopedia+of+Islam&rft.date=2003&rft.genre=book&rft.isbn=0759101906&rft.pages=239%E2%80%93241&rft.pub=Rowman+Altamira&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-105"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-105">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i><a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_of_the_Qur%27an" title="Encyclopedia of the Qur'an">Encyclopedia of the Qur'an</a></i>. Thomas, David. 2006. Volume V: <i>Trinity</i>.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-106"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Trinity#cite_ref-106">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Qur'an 3:79-80, 112:1-4, etc.</span></li>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Further_reading">Further reading</span> </h2>
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<li><span class="citation book">Emery, Gilles, O.P.; Levering, Matthew, eds. (2012). <i>The Oxford Handbook of the Trinity</i>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0199557813" title="Special:BookSources/978-0199557813">978-0199557813</a>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=The+Oxford+Handbook+of+the+Trinity&rft.date=2012&rft.genre=book&rft.isbn=978-0199557813&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></li>
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<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Fiddes" title="Paul Fiddes">Fiddes, Paul</a>, <i>Participating in God : a pastoral doctrine of the Trinity</i> (London: Darton, Longman, & Todd, 2000)</li>
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<li><span class="citation book">Harris, B.P. (2006). <a class="external text" href="http://silicabiblechapel.com/uploads/3/1/6/6/3166916/understanding_the_trinity.pdf" rel="nofollow"><i>Understanding the Trinity. An Encouragement to Abide in the Doctrine in Both Faith and Practice</i></a>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.aufirst=B.P.&rft.au=Harris%2C+B.P.&rft.aulast=Harris&rft.btitle=Understanding+the+Trinity.+An+Encouragement+to+Abide+in+the+Doctrine+in+Both+Faith+and+Practice&rft.date=2006&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fsilicabiblechapel.com%2Fuploads%2F3%2F1%2F6%2F6%2F3166916%2Funderstanding_the_trinity.pdf&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></li>
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<li><span class="citation book">Holmes, Stephen R. (2012). <i>The Quest for the Trinity: The Doctrine of God in Scripture, History and Modernity</i>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780830839865" title="Special:BookSources/9780830839865">9780830839865</a>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.aufirst=Stephen+R.&rft.au=Holmes%2C+Stephen+R.&rft.aulast=Holmes&rft.btitle=The+Quest+for+the+Trinity%3A+The+Doctrine+of+God+in+Scripture%2C+History+and+Modernity&rft.date=2012&rft.genre=book&rft.isbn=9780830839865&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></li>
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<li>Johnson, Thomas K., "What Difference Does the Trinity Make?" (Bonn: Culture and Science Publ., 2009)</li>
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<li>La Due, William J., <i><a class="external text" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=0WvgLlSKW7oC" rel="nofollow">The Trinity guide to the Trinity</a></i> (Continuum International Publishing Group, 2003 <a class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/1563383950">ISBN 1-56338-395-0</a>, <a class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9781563383953">ISBN 978-1-56338-395-3</a>)</li>
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<li><span class="citation book">Letham, Robert (2004). <i>The Holy Trinity : In Scripture, History, Theology, and Worship</i>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780875520001" title="Special:BookSources/9780875520001">9780875520001</a>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.aufirst=Robert&rft.aulast=Letham&rft.au=Letham%2C+Robert&rft.btitle=The+Holy+Trinity+%3A+In+Scripture%2C+History%2C+Theology%2C+and+Worship&rft.date=2004&rft.genre=book&rft.isbn=9780875520001&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></li>
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<li><span class="citation book"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_O%27Collins" title="Gerald O'Collins">O'Collins, Gerald</a> (1999). <i>The Tripersonal God: Understanding and Interpreting the Trinity</i>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780809138876" title="Special:BookSources/9780809138876">9780809138876</a>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.aufirst=Gerald&rft.aulast=O%27Collins&rft.au=O%27Collins%2C+Gerald&rft.btitle=The+Tripersonal+God%3A+Understanding+and+Interpreting+the+Trinity&rft.date=1999&rft.genre=book&rft.isbn=9780809138876&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></li>
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<li><span class="citation book"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_E._Olson" title="Roger E. Olson">Olson, Roger E.</a>; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hall_%28theologian%29" title="Christopher Hall (theologian)">Hall, Christopher A.</a> (2002). <i>The Trinity</i>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780802848277" title="Special:BookSources/9780802848277">9780802848277</a>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.aufirst=Roger+E.&rft.au=Hall%2C+Christopher+A.&rft.aulast=Olson&rft.au=Olson%2C+Roger+E.&rft.btitle=The+Trinity&rft.date=2002&rft.genre=book&rft.isbn=9780802848277&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></li>
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<li><span class="citation book"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_C._Phan" title="Peter C. Phan">Phan, Peter C.</a>, ed. (2011). <i>The Cambridge Companion to the Trinity</i>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-521-87739-8" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-521-87739-8">978-0-521-87739-8</a>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATrinity&rft.btitle=The+Cambridge+Companion+to+the+Trinity&rft.date=2011&rft.genre=book&rft.isbn=978-0-521-87739-8&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></li>
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<li>So, Damon W. K., <a class="external text" href="http://www.jesus-trinity.co.uk/another-book" rel="nofollow"><i>Jesus' Revelation of His Father: A Narrative-Conceptual Study of the Trinity with Special Reference to Karl Barth</i>.</a> (Milton Keynes: Paternoster, 2006). <a class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/184227323X">ISBN 1-84227-323-X</a></li>
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Our sympathies go out to you. Scott Davis, with Sally Li.</div>
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<<a href="http://www.change.org/petitions/president-obama-congress-the-american-people-impeach-the-entire-us-supreme-court" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.change.org/petitions/president-obama-congress-the-american-people-impeach-the-entire-us-supreme-court</a>></div>
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Thanks Sally</div>
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You're welcome!@</div>
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Please
sign the petition on Change.org so men can again be able to provide and
protect our families, beginning in BC, WE can make a difference and my
daughters sacrifices won't be in vain.</div>
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ok</div>
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Send the link and it's done!</div>
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One small step at a time and "Together WE can prevent Violence against people".</div>
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ok, will feature on Petitions to Restore the Constitution</div>
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Nice and short?, I'll have to shorten that. Can I paste this message to my Facebook now I'm finally back in?</div>
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I think I can shorten it and send a good intro.</div>
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<a href="http://chn.ge/10pYyXI" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://chn.ge/10pYyXI</a> here's that shortened.</div>
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Sally, I have a problem signing your petition. Please explain: 5) Do you plan to make "life begins at conception"<br />the primary standard for ruling on laws pertaining to<br />foeticide? Correct answer: No.</div>
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Life - according to common law, begins at birth - or earliest, at "quickening".</div>
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The idea that life begins at conception is not part of English common law</div>
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and is not even in the Bible!</div>
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Thanks for communicating the objection.</div>
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Does that explanation answer your objection?</div>
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No.
According to God, life begins at conception. For God so loved the
world, He gave His only BEGOTTEN Son, that none should perish... Jesus
became the Passover Lamb so that the angel of death must pass over.</div>
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OK!</div>
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Didn't Jesus' life begin before conception?</div>
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"In the beginning was the Word..."</div>
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Exodus 21:22 describes the Bible's position on abortion.</div>
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John 3:16 mentions birth - to "beget" is to be born.</div>
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December
25 is Jesus's conception day IN THE FLESH. His birthday, moving from
the womb to the world is nine months later, September 29.</div>
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Also, I thought of another line of reasoning with relation to John 3:16.</div>
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Before, or several months afterward in the original chronology.</div>
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point about abortion is this: If it is legal, and if women have the
right to have an abortion - then why does the state impose child support
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Mary,
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born as is all flesh, on "Michael and All Saints Day" or Michaelmass.
All the angels rejoiced and so should His saints today.</div>
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But raising John 3:16 as an anti-abortion caveat is not logically impermeable, and this is why:</div>
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God Himself predestined the Crucifixion.</div>
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Your faith is solid.</div>
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Mine too....</div>
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but we don't have the right to enact it into law.</div>
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I am as anti-abortion as you are.</div>
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The
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the States, not the Federal Government. The Supreme Court ruled so in
the late 1980s or so, when it overturned Roe v Wade.</div>
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Jesus
was God in the flesh. Sally you have been so deceived by those who want
to PROFIT from their religion. I follow Him because He is the Truth,
the Light and the Way (to eternal life in Heaven) Would you be
interested Sister to spread His Truth?</div>
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People believe that Roe v Wade still stands: it doesn't</div>
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Roe v. Wade is gone.</div>
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I have not been deceived at all.</div>
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What the Catholic Church is doing to fight abortion is quite commendable -</div>
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as long as it doesn't impose Catholic doctrine on the entire nation.</div>
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There are adoptions arranged, abortions prevented - this is very good.</div>
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But
when the influence of the Church works to enact things into law which
are based on the idea that a woman who is raped has no right to an
abortion, that is wrong - and I saw such an instance firsthand in
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Yes, I have a Strongs right next to me.</div>
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Sis, you have much faster fingers than me. I need to review what you have said, FB friends?</div>
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Lol,
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well my credit union has done the same thing to me YESTERDAY. This FB thing was also done for my protection...</div>
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Not intelligently done, they are protecting people into oblivion.</div>
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I
live in Nanaimo, Canada and we have an Attorney General and a HUMAN
RIGHTS law that I'm calling on her to enforce, to protect ALL peoples
regardless of gender. <a href="http://chrisjslater.blogspot.ca/2013/04/human-rights-complaints.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://chrisjslater.blogspot.ca/2013/04/human-rights-complaints.html</a></div>
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Together WE can prevent violence against PEOPLE! <a href="http://chrisjslater.blogspot.ca/2011/12/we-can-prevent-violence-against-people.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://chrisjslater.blogspot.ca/2011/12/we-can-prevent-violence-against-people.html</a>
are people not getting this? OUR rights are being lost to ignorance or
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Lol Google "<a href="https://www.google.ca/search?q=Together+WE+can+prevent+violence+against+PEOPLE%21&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.google.ca/search?q=Together+WE+can+prevent+violence+against+PEOPLE!&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a</a> and you'll have to scroll through OUR oppressors to get to me!</div>
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Bless
you! And please look into the Companion Bible, it has the TRUTH about
His birth, life and Death. They (religious denominations) also changed
God's Commandment's "Thou shalt not commit MURDER" into Thou shalt not
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So
who you gonna call? Ghostbusters? As in the A.V. King James? Holy
GHOST??!! No it is our God as the Holy SPIRIT, who filled me with
spiritual gifts because I asked Him in my jail cell where I was put by
the pastor of a Baptist Church! Some REAL Truth? <span class="emoticon emoticon_glasses"></span> <a href="http://www.levendwater.org/companion/append179.html#abia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.levendwater.org/companion/append179.html#abia</a> <span class="emoticon emoticon_smile"></span></div>
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This is the TRUTH about His conception and birth.</div>
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Sally can I use this on my Blog?</div>
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Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-50051076325710186262012-04-19T18:03:00.000-07:002012-04-19T18:03:00.027-07:00Crisis to Suicide: How Many Have to Die Before We Kill the False Religion of Austerity?<h1 class="title entry-title" itemprop="name"> <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/155012/crisis_to_suicide%3A_how_many_have_to_die_before_we_kill_the_false_religion_of_austerity/comments/#disqus_thread"> Crisis to Suicide: How Many Have to Die Before We Kill the False Religion of Austerity?</a> <span class="blog-admin"></span> </h1><a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/155012/crisis_to_suicide%3A_how_many_have_to_die_before_we_kill_the_false_religion_of_austerity%20%20%20" target="_blank">Crisis to Suicide: How Many Have to Die Before We Kill the False Religion of Austerity?</a> <br />
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DEATH to all FALSE RELIGIONS. HOPE for all! People take their own lives because they are searching for HOPE in their OWN life. When we build a life around another person, job, religion or deity, then we are betrayed, what HOPE have we? Twenty years ago, I was going to commit suicide, had my truck running in a closed garage, remembered something shared to me. "If ever you're in such as place, why not try Jesus?" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (<a href="http://www.companionbiblecondensed.com/NT/John.pdf" target="_blank">John 3:16 KJV</a>) Jesus is God who came to earth to give us HOPE! <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{"type":3}">Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today is a gift! Thanks God. Don't throw your life away, you have a promise of eternal soul life from God! Want to claim it, get relief from all the worldly pressures? Pray: "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner." He does, He will.</span>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com1Nanaimo, BC, Canada49.1658836 -123.940064749.0900906 -124.0677767 49.2416766 -123.81235269999999tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-29016884971730083462011-11-29T01:40:00.000-08:002011-11-29T01:44:05.820-08:00Nova, Just give it up to Jesus!<ul class="uiList uiStream fbProfileStream" data-referrer="profile_minifeed" id="profile_minifeed"><li class="pvm uiUnifiedStory uiStreamStory genericStreamStory aid_Array uiListItem uiListLight uiListVerticalItemBorder" data-ft="{"src":9,"sty":73,"actrs":"720885173","pub_time":1322496055,"fbid":"10150985509285174","s_obj":7,"s_edge":1,"s_prnt":7,"ft_story_name":"StreamStoryComposerPhoto","mf_objid":720885173,"object_id":720885173,"filter":"profile"}" id="stream_story_4ed4a742cf8492965210797"><div class="storyContent"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix"><div class="storyInnerContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_MED_Content"><div class="mainWrapper"><form action="/ajax/ufi/modify.php" class="live_10150985509285174_131325686911214 commentable_item collapsed_comments autoexpand_mode" data-live="{"seq":0}" method="post" rel="async"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiStreamFooter"><div class="UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_ICON_Content"><span style="font-size: small;"></span></div></div></form></div></div></div></div></li>
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<div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><span style="font-size: small;"><abbr data-utime="1322459208" title="Sunday, 27 November 2011 at 21:46">Sunday at 21:46</abbr> · </span><span class="comment_like_4448061 fsm fwn fcg" data-ft="{"type":36}" style="font-size: small;"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[4448061]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="4448061"><span class="default_message">Like</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=310963835600133" rel="dialog"><img alt="" class="cmt_like_icon" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif" /> 3</a></span></div></div></div></li>
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<div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><span style="font-size: small;"><abbr data-utime="1322460807" title="Sunday, 27 November 2011 at 22:13">Sunday at 22:13</abbr> · </span><span class="comment_like_4448141 fsm fwn fcg" data-ft="{"type":36}" style="font-size: small;"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[4448141]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="4448141"><span class="default_message">Like</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=310970972266086" rel="dialog"><img alt="" class="cmt_like_icon" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif" /> 3</a></span></div></div></div></li>
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<div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><span style="font-size: small;"><abbr class="timestamp livetimestamp" data-utime="1322525736" title="Monday, 28 November 2011 at 16:15">9 hours ago</abbr> · </span><span class="comment_like_4452352 fsm fwn fcg" data-ft="{"type":36}" style="font-size: small;"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[4452352]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="4452352"><span class="default_message">Like</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=311443245552192" rel="dialog"><img alt="" class="cmt_like_icon" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif" /> 3</a></span></div></div></div></li>
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<div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content" data-ft="{"type":33}"><span style="font-size: small;"><a class="actorName" data-ft="{"type":35}" data-hovercardx="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> </span><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text" style="font-size: small;">What gives you the right to say these things to Tina's father? You have no respect, you three and those who "like" what you say are the same sort of fools that led to my daughter's death. You're immature, spoiled and unprincipled and I rebuke you for that. Will you ever face some inconvenient truths or do you prefer to die believing those disgusting feminist lies? These are FACTS you fools! Corruption in OUR COURTS. GOD knows all, sees all and sooner or later there will be a Judgement Day for everyone including Judge Judith Kaye, Keith Bracken, Donald Allen, Glenn Sinclair, Master John Horn, the Lea family: Bill, Maria, Adam, Keith and Helen Octaviano - Smith. In the meantime, I'm not called to do anything but live to tell the truth. Why do you three foolishly choose to ignore it? Yes, my daughter Tina was beautiful, talented, intelligent and did a great job to conceal her sadness until it overcame her desire to live. What a waste!</span><br />
<div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><span style="font-size: small;"><abbr class="timestamp livetimestamp" data-utime="1322556101" title="Tuesday, 29 November 2011 at 00:41">55 minutes ago</abbr> · </span><span class="comment_like_4454765 fsm fwn fcg" data-ft="{"type":37}" style="font-size: small;"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="unlike_comment_id[4454765]" title="Unlike this comment" type="submit" value="4454765"><span class="default_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=311642722198911" rel="dialog"><img alt="" class="cmt_like_icon" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif" /> 1</a></span></div></div></div></li>
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<div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content" data-ft="{"type":33}"><div><span style="font-size: small;"><a class="actorName" data-ft="{"type":35}" data-hovercardx="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1553804783" href="http://www.facebook.com/RaadioKilla">Nova Sarfii</a></span><span class="socialContext fcg" style="font-size: small;"> · <a class="uiTooltip uiLinkSubtle" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/mutual_friends/?uid=1553804783" rel="dialog">4 mutual friends</a></span></div><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text" style="font-size: small;">I'm a fool? Quit shoving your godly bullshit in our faces! I respected you till i seen the way you treated your family and tinas friends. Some people don't even believe in god! Judgement day can go kiss my ass, if there were any god at all he would love all of his people, no matter the mistakes they've made, colour of their skin, gay or straight! Tina was her own person, she controlled her own actions. She was loved unconditionally around the valley and will be forever missed. Make sure your hands are clean before you go pointing fingers.</span><br />
<div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><span style="font-size: small;"><abbr class="timestamp livetimestamp" data-utime="1322556522" title="Tuesday, 29 November 2011 at 00:48">47 minutes ago</abbr> · </span><span class="comment_like_4454797 fsm fwn fcg" data-ft="{"type":37}" style="font-size: small;"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="unlike_comment_id[4454797]" title="Unlike this comment" type="submit" value="4454797"><span class="default_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=311644308865419" rel="dialog"><img alt="" class="cmt_like_icon" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif" /> 1</a></span></div></div></div></li>
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<div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content" data-ft="{"type":33}"><span style="font-size: small;"><a class="actorName" data-ft="{"type":35}" data-hovercardx="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> </span><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text" style="font-size: small;">So God should stop existing just because you don't believe? What do you believe then? Just who are your godless, soul sucking teachers? To add to the above, Nova you've got a filthy, foul, evil mouth that shows your lack of good parenting, schooling and upbringing. Guess we all know where you and others like you are headed for.</span><br />
<div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><span style="font-size: small;"><abbr class="timestamp livetimestamp" data-utime="1322556722" title="Tuesday, 29 November 2011 at 00:52">44 minutes ago</abbr> · </span><span class="comment_like_4454812 fsm fwn fcg" data-ft="{"type":37}" style="font-size: small;"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="unlike_comment_id[4454812]" title="Unlike this comment" type="submit" value="4454812"><span class="default_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=311645038865346" rel="dialog"><img alt="" class="cmt_like_icon" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif" /> 1</a></span></div></div></div></li>
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<div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content" data-ft="{"type":33}"><span style="font-size: small;"><a class="actorName" data-ft="{"type":35}" data-hovercardx="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> </span><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text" style="font-size: small;">For the record, God has NO grandchildren. Each must of their own freewill decide. He loves all His children and wants YOU to come to know Him. Coz then you won't be so confused, scared and hostile to Him and to those who also love Him. Repent for your own eternal soul... For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.<br />
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<div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><span style="font-size: small;"><abbr class="timestamp livetimestamp" data-utime="1322557182" title="Tuesday, 29 November 2011 at 00:59">36 minutes ago</abbr> · </span><span class="comment_like_4454852 fsm fwn fcg" data-ft="{"type":37}" style="font-size: small;"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="unlike_comment_id[4454852]" title="Unlike this comment" type="submit" value="4454852"><span class="default_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=311646585531858" rel="dialog"><img alt="" class="cmt_like_icon" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif" /> 1</a></span></div></div></div></li>
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<div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content" data-ft="{"type":33}"><div><span style="font-size: small;"><a class="actorName" data-ft="{"type":35}" data-hovercardx="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1553804783" href="http://www.facebook.com/RaadioKilla">Nova Sarfii</a></span><span class="socialContext fcg" style="font-size: small;"> · <a class="uiTooltip uiLinkSubtle" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/mutual_friends/?uid=1553804783" rel="dialog">4 mutual friends</a></span></div><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text" style="font-size: small;"> Lack of good parenting, schooling and upbringing? Now you've crossed the line. Yah my upbringing was bullshit but who are you to judge that? Come walk a mile in my shoes and I'll gladly walk in yours but in till then I guess that means billions of other children will suffer a horrible life because of simple words? Fuck you.</span><br />
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And the sun has set for me<br />
I want no rites in a gloom filled room<br />
Why cry for a soul set free?<br />
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Miss me a little - but not too long<br />
And not with your head bowed low<br />
Remember the love that we once shared<br />
Miss me - but let me go<br />
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For this is a journey that we must all take<br />
And each must go alone<br />
It's all a part of the Master's plan<br />
A step on the road to home<br />
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When you are lonely, and sick of heart<br />
Go to the friends we know<br />
And bury your sorrows in doing good deeds<br />
Miss me - but let me go ...<br />
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LOVE, CHRIS</div></div></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-24133121156134560662011-05-08T14:06:00.000-07:002011-05-08T14:15:45.609-07:00Χριστός (Khristós) - Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ - Māšîaḥ and Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Canada<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><b>There are only two types of people in this world. </b> Those who believe in God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and those who do not. (Period) <b>We who believe in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ">Jesus as our Christ</a> </b>(the English term for the Greek <b>Χριστός (Khristós)</b> meaning "the anointed one". It is a translation of the <b>Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ - Māšîaḥ</b> transliterated to English as Messiah) - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ</a> <b>have come to that knowledge as a result of living our own lives, not by studying or living some worldly religion which is man's attempt to explain a god or gods. God has NO GRANDCHILDREN. It is YOUR personal decision. </b>We believe this world is a place of testing; will we submit to Jesus Christ as Lord and Master or not. Those who submit are promised eternal soul life, receive spiritual gifts, those who don't missed what the purpose of this life is - that <b>God created this world, that people are destroying it, and that one day soon He will put it right again.</b> In the meantime we are called to be the best stewards of His world that we can be. God gave His people, the Hebrews, Ten Commandments by which to live, Jesus refined it to: Love God, Love one another. I believe Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada knows and follows that God, that his concern is about his eternal life and he is doing the best he can to ensure Canada's future, I pray; so help him God.</div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0Canada56.130366 -106.3467709999999935.14948 -151.35983349999998 77.111252000000007 -61.333708499999993tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-29624709789795704932011-03-29T07:26:00.000-07:002011-03-29T18:04:44.115-07:00Filipina Migration Scammer<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><div class="UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_ICON_Content">March 29, 2011 Please click on highlighted links to be taken directly there.<br />
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You, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000863042063"><span style="color: #3b5998;">Daniel Ryder</span></a>, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1403418987"><span style="color: #3b5998;">Pastor Paul P. Waldmiller</span></a> and <a ajaxify="/ajax/browser/dialog/?type=likes&id=1848171129702" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=1848171129702" rel="dialog" title="See people who like this item"><span style="color: #3b5998;">5 others</span></a> like this.</div><li class="uiUfiComments uiListItem uiListVerticalItemBorder"><ul class="commentList"><li class="uiUfiComment comment_1306578 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1403418987" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161267_1403418987_2835531_q.jpg" /></a> <br />
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<div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:34:04 -0800" title="Sunday, 13 February 2011 at 21:34">13 February at 21:34</abbr> · </div><div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed" id="id_4d91ea7b3dfe95e68063457">The Letter Reads....<br />
"February 14, 2011<br />
Dear Senator Gillibrand(Senator Schummer, President Obama, Governor Cuomo, Secretary Of State Clinton),<br />
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My name is Reverend Paul P. Waldmiller. I am a illegal alien here in the Philippines due to your in<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">-action to secure my safety against death threats from the City of Batavia, NY Police, illegal actions of Judges and attorney's as well as other government officials in Genesee and Wyoming County NY. This issue began with a Filipina Migration Scammer named Jennie Basal Waldmiller who lives in Batavia, NY. She was given my children, house, all marital and personal property by Judge's Noonan and Bannister in Genesee County NY. I have written the FBI and Justice Department some months ago and am still waiting for a reply from the FBI into an investigation against the aforementioned. <br />
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I had(have) been left with the choice to remain here as an illegal alien or to return to the USA to be murdered by the City Of Batavia, NY Police(per their phone call to me). I have no response from you, any of your representatives or from any US Federal, New York State agency or representative in assisting me in exposing the crimes set against me and as well getting me safely home to the USA.<br />
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I demand justice ! I demand you get me home safely without fear of death or death threats against me and that all who are involved in these criminal activities be arrested immediately. My children are exposed to a documented pedophile that the Filipina Migration Scammer is aligned with. The City Of Batavia, NY Police refused to arrest that pedophile for attempting to sexually molest my daughters in the past. The police and others there have aligned themselves illegally with criminal elements<br />
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There is no reason for me to be here in the Philippines under death threats from police, illegal activities by judges, lawyers and others in and around Genesee County NY. Until I married this Filipina Migration Scammer in the USA, I had no criminal record. This scammer has taken thousands of dollars of U.S and New York State tax payer benefits including “free” college tuition, “free” mortgage payments on my house that was stripped from me and given to her, “free” food stamps, “free” Medicaid, “free” welfare and many more “so called “free” benefits via my and our hard earned US tax payer dollars. See <a href="http://www.corruptgenesee.com/" onmousedown="UntrustedLink.bootstrap($(this), "bbf0d", event, bagof({}));" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color: #3b5998;">http://www.corruptgenesee.<wbr><span class="word_break"></span></span>com/</a><span style="color: #333333;"> for plenty of video's showing the scammer in her scam.<br />
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There is no good reason for me to remain here because of your lack of involvement to correct the illegal acts against me. I have asked for your office or others associated with you for help in the past, but you and others refused. It's time to do what's right and arrest the Filipina Migration Scammer Jennie Basal Waldmiller, judges, police, lawyers and others who are involved in this heinous crime committed against me. I want my US passport immediately returned to me and to come home with my wife to the USA to get my children and where we belong and live without fear of death or illegal acts from government officials or others.<br />
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I will not take “no” or no response from you. In 2005 “Vanesa” here in the Philippines accused 4 US Marines of rape. A few years later, to manipulate the legal system here, you sent US agents to her and her family to convince here to change hers story if you moved her to the USA. Don't tell me you can't get justice for me; an American Citizen !(unless you favor marriage fraud scammers over US Citizens).<br />
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Your corrective action regarding these illegal acts against me are immediately required.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Rev. Paul P. Waldmiller<br />
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<div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed" id="id_4d91ea7b3e73f4420470788"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastor">Pastor</a>, what can I say? Sounds like you're a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=raving+lunatic&button=">raving lunatic</a>! Could this really happen in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America">America</a>? Well it happened to me in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada">Canada</a>! Only difference is first <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_people">Filipina</a> wife, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=715783539&aid=259607">Maria Batoon</a>, took everything, including our two children, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1403418987#!/Christopher.J.Slater">Christopher</a> and <a href="http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/profile.php?id=100000506976566">Christina</a>, and almost drove me to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide">suicide</a><span class="text_exposed_show">. Instead, I chose <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus">Jesus</a>. Second Filipina wife, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=715783539&aid=263556">Helen Octaviano</a>, claimed to be my <a href="http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/752407">Sister-in-Christ</a> and used <a href="http://www.calvarybc.ca/">Calvary Baptist Church, Chemainus</a> and their evil <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology">theology</a> (<a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/div_noway.htm">no divorce</a> - but my first wife of 25 years left me over parenting our children <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=715783539&aid=259607#!/profile.php?id=695047548">Cathy</a>, and <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=715783539&aid=259607#!/ken.j.slater">Ken</a> `when they were teenagers, as did my 1st Filipina wife) to get <a href="http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/become.asp">Canadian citizenship</a> and take our child, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/Christopher.J.Slater#!/profile.php?id=100000068665462">Sarah</a>. We'll never get satisfation from <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Together+we+can+prevent+Violence+against+Women.%22&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC_en">"Together we can prevent Violence against Women." </a>politicians, judges, etc. But...my <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=715783539&aid=259607#!/profile.php?id=648496034&sk=photos&closeTheater=1">third Filipina wife</a> is so unlike the first 2. Yours too? If the unbeliever leaves, let them. Your story is so similar to mine, but I do accept God has a plan, even when I cannot see His hand. I am glad to see their backsides, but I don't like my 3 children in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_custody">"custody"</a> of such evil. I pray they all yet come to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repentance">repent</a> of their ways. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2022:36-40&version=KJV">Love God, love one another</a>.</span></div></div></div></li>
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<div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed" id="id_4d924c0fbc9872d94540339">Sir, you are right, I thought it was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News">news you were posting</a>, and I commented on it. I should have discussed your letter with you, but it seemed clear enough to me. It is a very <a href="http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/public-document.html">public document</a> that I strongly agree with. I thought you wanted<span class="text_exposed_show"> the world to know the works of the <a href="http://www.noeo.net/sdt/satan's_deceptive_tactics.htm">enemy; to mislead and deceive us</a>? Men and women (in the secular world) are easily misled into ways that are evil. I was saved only by the <a href="http://www.tscpulpitseries.org/english/1990s/ts960415.html">blood of Jesus</a>. Otherwise why would you post that picture of your ex-wife and mother of your three children? Have I misunderstood? If so. please explain and accept my apologies? As for me I am not ashamed of the trials I have had to endure and gone through. I pray that the end result of what we go through in this world will be to God's glory, not ours. That is why I post and appreciate as much exposure of what happens when "authorities" placed over us in this world do wrong. They need our prayers for God's wisdom to stay and lead us on the "straight and narrow". Again, if you are offended, please forgive me.</span></div></div></div></li><br />
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<div class="clearfix" id="headNav"><div class="lfloat"><form action="http://www.facebook.com/search/" id="navSearch" method="get" name="navSearch" onsubmit="return Event.__inlineSubmit(this,event)" role="search"><div class="uiTypeahead" id="u058105_2"><div class="wrap"></div><div class="wrap"><strong><span style="font-size: large;">Who goes there? Friend or enemy?</span></strong></div><div class="wrap">by <a href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07"><span style="color: #3b5998;">Chris J. Slater</span></a> on Tuesday, 29 March 2011 at 13:20</div></div></form></div></div><div class="fb_content clearfix" id="content" style="min-height: 100px; visibility: visible;"><div id="mainContainer"><div class="clearfix hasRightCol" id="contentCol"><div id="contentArea" role="main"><div><div class="uiHeaderSubActions rfloat"></div><div class="mbl notesBlogText clearfix"><div><br />
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Hello sir, most excellent Paul.<br />
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Have you yet heard back from Senator Gillibrand, Senator Schummer, President Obama, Governor Cuomo, Secretary Of State Clinton, the City of Batavia, NY Police, Judges and attorneys as well as other government officials in Genesee and Wyoming County NY. Jennie Basal Waldmiller who lives in Batavia, NY, your children, Judges Noonan and Bannister in Genesee County NY, the FBI and Justice Department, "Vanesa" or those 4 US Marines accused of raping her?<br />
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I didn't think so, but I'm curious to know, what has the Holy Spirit told you about this situation? Or in getting "born again" did you forget this part of what Jesus has said about those who will be saved? (Not Born Again, but 1. BEGOTTEN of God, the Father and 2. filled with the Holy Spiriit.)<br />
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You also have said, "If you want Chris, I will educate you more about the evils of CPS, Family Courts and yes, Filipina Migration Scammer. I have many frinds who would love to teach you as well."<br />
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Well Paul, I thought to check up on why we are friends, and this is what I found; "You and Pastor Paul: Friends - American Fathers Liberation Army, Legally Kidnapped, Patricia Lessard, Canada Fathers, David Inguanzo, Stephen Baskerville, Christine Backmund. In all, 39 mutual friends.<br />
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As to GLOBAL Focus we're both on Mens Banquet & Mens Christian Taken Into Custody." That is why I asked to be your friend and I'm assuming that is why you accepted.<br />
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For the record sir, I was raised Church of England until 5, then Anglican in Canada, but at 17 walked from that religion. Since then I was a seeker, until in 1995 at the age of 46, beaten down by my two ex-wives (first a Canadian, 25 years then a Filipina for 2 years), I decided to end it all. I used to believe that peole were good and wanted to do good, I didn't understand how evil we are in this world.<br />
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Truck running in closed garage, I remembered a witness by two former mortgage lender aquaintances who after getting me the money I needed for my businesses and rental properties, would say, "Before you leave Chris, can we pray about what use you'll put this money to?" What a couple of weirdo's? But they got me the money at the best interest rate, so why not humour them? <br />
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So they would pray, I would listen and remember to Amen at the right time and then go use the cheques. I was a good businessman, doing good things for people. I didn't need any religion, but now with my escape plan, CO (carbon monoxide) in place, I remembered them saying, "If ever you are in a place that you have no hope, why not try Jesus?" So I did. No great prayer, just a simple heart felt request, "If you're for real Jesus, help me now!" No great revelation, just a sense of peace. I shut off the engine, went to bed wondering what was going to happen next... That is how religion found me again!<br />
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I wanted to find more of Jesus, but instead I found more religion as practiced by so called "Christians" in the Churches of Rome, Pentecostals, Baptists, Full Gospel, Seventh Day Adventists, United, Four Square, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, etc. , etc.<br />
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And corruption in high places, people who have no idea of what "In God we trust" means. Which God, <br />
which Bible translation is the Word of God? I realized to them " In God we trust" is a preamble to the rest, "All others pay CASH" That is their real god, because <span>it's all about the MONEY</span>!<br />
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Yes sir, (as my Ex-Filipina wives would say, with a smile, all the time thinking abut how they would like to cut out my heart and stomp on it). I thank God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for my salvation, education and for allowing me to know Him and His ways, to His glory, not that I should boast. Yes I have come to a perfect understanding of what is going on here. Thank you Jesus for showing me the Way.<br />
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To be a Christian is to live in Christ, just like some one living in California is a Californian, an American living in US, a Canadian living in Canada or a Filipino or Filipina living in the Philippines. How to be a true follower of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Submit to His authority (will), to truly learn and believe we can only trust in God and do all that we do to His glory. Nothing else will do.<br />
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You also have said before, "If you want Chris, I will educate you more about the evils of CPS, Family Courts and yes, Filipina Migration Scammer. I have many frinds who would love to teach you as well." Well, sir, I have been taught by the "best". They will say and do anything to get and maintain their control. Extortion, fraud, theft, abduction, kidnapping, forgery, false witness, prejury, death threats, false accusations of rape, assault and attempted murder, court mandated loss of my children to CPS, womyns shelters, and FMEP (Maxima Inc.- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximus_Inc" onmousedown="UntrustedLink.bootstrap($(this), "bbf0d", event, bagof({}));" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color: #3b5998;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximus_Inc</span></a>.) <br />
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All this in the name of The Corporation - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa3wyaEe9vE" onmousedown="UntrustedLink.bootstrap($(this), "bbf0d", event, bagof({}));" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color: #3b5998;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa3wyaEe9vE</span></a>. <br />
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These are people who want power and money without having any personal responsibility for what they do. "Professional Corporations" include the greatest of these psychopathic crooks - lawyers, judges, privatizing politicians. etc. <br />
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Eighteen years I've lived in Refiner's Fire, I pray He keeps me in this untill He decides to take me home</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"> </span>But until that day, we have an opportunity to get to know God through His Son, Jesus Christ, and share our blessings and miracles beginning with eternal soul life... But how to know Jesus?<br />
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Right now, wherever you are, whatever your troubles, talk to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Ask and you shall receive. Pray "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner".<br />
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You just passed from eternal death to eternal life. Don't STOP here! Only half done! Pray to God to send His Holy Spirit to live in you ! He will and He does.<br />
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Love God, Love one another. Be blessed, Brother or Sister-in-Christ.<br />
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That's all it takes! You have passed from eternal death to eternal life. Now read your Love letter from God, the Word, the Holy Bible. And remember you need no man or woman to speak with Him. He wants to hear from you direct. Beware the wolves who only want your money! Man made religions are from Hell, God is LOVE. Love God, love one another.<br />
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A witness? <a __untrusted="true" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4swDmwmmnHM&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color: #3b5998;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4swDmwmmnHM&feature=player_embedded</span></a><br />
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<span style="color: #cc0000;">PS If I've offended anyone with this, I'm sorry, please accept my apology. </span><br />
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But there is so many bad things happening, we all need to have the assurance now that there is a reason, there is a plan: God wants to know you. Right now. If not, "put it on the shelf", someday, in the midst of your life threatening troubles, why not try this? But for Him, I'm already dead, but I believe He will keep me in this world until He decides to call me Home. Wouldn't you like the same assurance?</div></div></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-44141264460584392662011-03-22T02:28:00.000-07:002011-03-22T02:28:29.525-07:00The Corporation, the Matriarchy and Carnivore (Narus.com)<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><strong>Deadly Airborne Radioactivity</strong> Your greed and shortsightedness will kill us all! It's all about the money! The Corporation: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa3wyaEe9vE" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa3wyaEe9vE</a><br />
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<strong>Please pray for our world; join us in praying for our leaders to lead us in His righteous ways.</strong><br />
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<li class="uiUfiComment comment_15090738 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" /></a><label class="deleteAction stat_elem UIImageBlock_Ext uiCloseButton" for="u902257_5"><input id="u902257_5" name="delete[15090738]" title="Remove" type="submit" /></label><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> <span data-jsid="text">You're welcome, Sis. Let's pray for our leaders to once again lead us in Godly ways that keep His Ten Commandments and so save this world...for now. Love God, Love one another: is the only HOPE the world has in Jesus Christ.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sat, 19 Mar 2011 00:34:04 -0700" title="Saturday, 19 March 2011 at 00:34">Saturday at 00:34</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_15090738 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[15090738]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="15090738"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=10150120879259437" rel="dialog">2 people<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
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<li class="uiUfiComment comment_15144339 ufiItem ufiItem uiUfiUnseenItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" /></a><label class="deleteAction stat_elem UIImageBlock_Ext uiCloseButton" for="u545348_1"><input id="u545348_1" name="delete[15144339]" title="Remove" type="submit" /></label><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> <span data-jsid="text">Thanks Levi. I know we are being monitored for our use of words like terrorism, etc., but what about our use of democracy friendly words? We are constantly being covertly monitored in the name of FREEDOM! That is, their definition of what constitutes our freedom. As to 1984 and Big Brother, it never happened. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_%28Nineteen_Eighty-Four%29" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>http://en.wikipedia.org/wi</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>ki/Big_Brother_%28Nineteen</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>_Eighty-Four%29</a> It's now 2011 and it's Big Mother (the Matriarchy) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>http://en.wikipedia.org/wi</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>ki/Matriarchy</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdafJpieIJ0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>http://www.youtube.com/wat</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>ch?v=RdafJpieIJ0</a> that is firmly in control. I like to follow the "bouncing buck" or keep my eye on the money. Do you remember "Carnivore" the FBI's supercomputer? <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?q=carnivore+super+computer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>http://www.google.ca/searc</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>h?q=carnivore+super+comput</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>er&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3A</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>official&client=firefox-a</a> at first blush it seems to have faded into history, so I search down for Wikipedia and come up with Narus <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narus" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>http://en.wikipedia.org/wi</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>ki/Narus</a> , a subsidiary of Boeing. "Narus is the only software company that provides security, intercept and traffic management solutions within a single, flexible system." <a href="http://www.narus.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.narus.com/</a> As for us we need to be vigilant watchers. I'm watching for our "saviour" standing in Jerusalem and doing his magic. "I wonder how many will join satan the next time he tries a takeover, when he stands in Jerusalem in our very near future claiming to be the Messiah, claiming to be God Himself!" <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3A47hOqqDjW0gJ%3Awww.biblestudysite.com%2Fanti.htm+King+James+Bible%2B%22stands+in+Jerusalem%22&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>http://webcache.googleuser</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>content.com/search?q=cache</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>%3A47hOqqDjW0gJ%3Awww.bibl</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>estudysite.com%2Fanti.htm+</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>King+James+Bible%2B%22stan</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>ds+in+Jerusalem%22&cd=3&hl</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=f</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>irefox-a&source=www.google</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>.ca</a></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr class="timestamp" data-date="Tue, 22 Mar 2011 02:17:33 -0700" title="Tuesday, 22 March 2011 at 02:17">2 minutes ago</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_15144339 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[15144339]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="15144339"><span class="default_message">Like</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_19">Today</a>, <a href="http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/752407">Sister-in-Christ</a> and wife <a href="http://www.facebook.com/#%21/profile.php?id=648496034">Annamie</a> told me she was going to <a href="http://www.ladysmith.ca/">Ladysmith</a> to her <a href="http://www.facebook.com/#%21/drhenny">chiropractor</a> and to study at the <a href="http://www.virl.bc.ca/pages/index_e.aspx?ArticleID=212">library</a> to keep up with her <a href="http://www.viu.ca/psychology/courses.aspx">4th year Psychology</a> classes at VIU (<a href="http://www.viu.ca/">Vancouver Island University</a>, <a href="http://www.nanaimo.ca/">Nanaimo</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia">BC</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada">Canada</a>) who are <a href="http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2011/03/08/viu-faculty-to-strike-thursday/">on strike now for "job security"</a>.<br />
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I, <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?q=Chris+J.+Slater&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&pq=chris%20j.%20slater&xhr=t&q=%22Chris%20J.%20Slater%22&cp=1&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=pi5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=%22Chris+J.+Slater%22&pbx=1&fp=140a23191d7294df">Chris J. Slater</a>, was up online until <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock">04:45</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Time_Zone">PDST</a> , <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitoring">monitoring</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fivefold_ministry">ministering</a> and <a href="http://www.praylikethis.org.uk/">praying</a> for the needs of peoples around the world. This morning Annamie was in a big rush, busy <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frying">frying</a> her <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYGRTuB_G_4&feature=related">"factory" chicken eggs</a> outside of <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=174637&id=715783539">our 5th wheel RV 21' home</a> in her <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=185317&id=715783539#%21/photo.php?fbid=415770103539&set=a.410068423539.185317.715783539&theater">"dirty kitchen"</a>, using the electric 2 ring hot plate as I long ago got rid of the inside propane stove, heater, refrigerator, propane tanks and lines due to the fire hazard. I have some left over <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=124848524235347&aid=27311">raw, soaked</a> and steamed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombu">Kombu ( a seaveggie)</a> and asked her to fry and try. She was also cooking her <a href="http://www.greenlivingtips.com/articles/94/1/Brown-rice-vs-white-rice.html">white rice</a> in her <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_cooker">rice cooker</a>. I have been involved to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism">vegetarian</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrobiotic_diet">macrobiotic</a> and <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/GrownFoods/124848524235347?sk=app_2373072738#%21/pages/GrownFoods/124848524235347?sk=info">raw foods</a> for many years. Annamie is very much involved with traditional <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_cuisine">Filipino foods and cooking</a>. Although I know it's not good for me, I love Annamie, and her cooking is part of that. When <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23287&id=715783539">I flew to Calgary in 2008</a> and <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=153892&id=715783539">Annamie flew here</a>, and at our <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=47259&id=715783539">marriage</a> and during our <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=243219&id=715783539">honeymoon</a>, we knew there would be "adjustments". <br />
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As Annamie was eating at her computer station I did our daily family Bible study. First, I flipped the calender <a href="http://openlibrary.org/books/OL12310864M/A_Journey_of_Hope_DayBrightener">Journey of Hope, Day Brightener</a> that <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=243219&id=715783539#%21/profile.php?id=695047548">daughter Cathy and Rob</a> gave me for Christmas in 2002. March 19 says, "Every day holds the possibility of a miracle." I like that because miracles are from God and the world needs on now!<br />
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Next I read in the printed Daily Bread for today, March 19, 2011. (Annamie gets us copies from her church, Ladysmith Community Church). It was excellent and called, "Suit Up". <br />
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I asked her, as long as you're going there, please check to see if our potassium iodide SUPPLEMENTS came in to the health food store and see what macrobiotic foods there are. (brown rice, sea veggies, miso, etc.)<br />
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How are you guys doing.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:25</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Hi Mel, with the help of God, good. and you?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1584371873"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173665_1584371873_1148023_q.jpg" title="Mel Pascua" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:26</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Very good my brother. Going back to work 2-morrow AM shift.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Just to let u-know; we will have prayers and bible study here at home today starting at 4:30 PM. If you guys want to come over you are very much welcome.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:30</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Thank you and God bless...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1584371873"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173665_1584371873_1148023_q.jpg" title="Mel Pascua" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:30</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">You're welcome; God bless you all too.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:35</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Byee</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1584371873"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173665_1584371873_1148023_q.jpg" title="Mel Pascua" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:35</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Bye, my brother and SHALOM!</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:36</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Amen</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1584371873"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173665_1584371873_1148023_q.jpg" title="Mel Pascua" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:36</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Ha-le-lu jah to JESUS.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:38</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">What have you prepared for in these end times? Please see GrownFoods, discussions for some "worldly" considerations.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1584371873"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173665_1584371873_1148023_q.jpg" title="Mel Pascua" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:40</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Preparing ourselves to meet the Lord should he come at anytime; also knowing who we are in him and our identity as his Ambassadors.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:41</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/editprofile.php?sk=philosophy&success=1#%21/topic.php?uid=124848524235347&topic=113" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/editprofile.php?sk=philosophy&success=1#!/topic.php?uid=124848524235347&topic=113</a></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1584371873"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173665_1584371873_1148023_q.jpg" title="Mel Pascua" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:43</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">I want to stick to the Bible; success in life is having JESUS and putting him first above anything else: Matthew6:33 Okay brother Chris; I must to go now; nice chatting with you brother. Keep the faith in JESUS.</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><span class="fcg"> </span></span></div><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">11:47</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">My mother used to say, "Some Christians are so heavenly obsessed, they are of no worldly good." My son, daughter-in-law, other family are in Nagoya. Please pray for them today and many others. As long as we are in this world, Lets pray for the harvest and take it now as people seek HOPE in these turbulent times. Would you mind if I posted this as our witness?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1584371873"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173665_1584371873_1148023_q.jpg" title="Mel Pascua" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">12:10</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined">Of course brother; You can post it. The Good News must to be shared. God is shaking the nations; and JESUS is our only "hope" and salvation. We as "born again" believers must must continue to witness for him in this end time days</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">12:28</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm msg_error" data-jsid="message" id="msg_1584371873_3700235935">Amen and thank you, many are falling, turning to the world today. I praise God for giving me this online outreach. (<a href="http://www.facebook.com/ajax/messaging/composer.php?id=1584371873&message=Amen%20and%20thank%20you%2C%20many%20are%20falling%2C%20turning%20to%20the%20world%20today.%20I%20praise%20God%20for%20giving%20me%20this%20online%20outreach." rel="dialog">send as a message</a>)</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg">Your chat message wasn't sent because Mel is offline.</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg"> </div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg">12:45 PDST Watching CTV News. Aftershock in Japan, tsunami fear, radioactivity and radioactive Cesium are found in Japanese milk, spinach </div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg"> </div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg">13:00 PDST Canadian Prime Minister Harper is on TV - "CANADA IS AT WAR", Hilary Clinton is speaking under banner, "U.S. Supports Intl. War in Libya." This is in support of U.N. Resolution 1973. </div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg"> </div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg">13:05 PDST Gadhafi sends threats to U.N.</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg"> </div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg">13:12 PDST California is getting "ready for radiation." Warnings about ONLINE, potassium iodide "SUPPLEMENT" scams. Oh yeah, still wanting to deny us access to natural or herbal supplements? I thank God I can and do depend on Him.</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg"><br />
</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg">Annamie is on FB Chat</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg"><br />
</div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:32</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">you sleeping??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:35</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">Sorry, I was looking at your posts and preparing to respond, Harper is on TV, Canada is at war.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:35</span> Wow... at war with whom?? Qaddafi?? I miss you, hon You sleeping again?? Hon?? Hello??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:37</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">Gadhafi regime. US cruise missiles, French fighter jets, etc. I love U, 2. But we must do as we feel called. Radioactivity is becoming a real concern. Milk...I'm working on today's missive, Brother Mel invites us for BS at 4:30, is part of what I'm posting today.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:43</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">are you wanting to go for BS with them? Sorry but I forgot to bring my cellphone with me... I think I left it on my desk...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:43 (Reading)</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1457859343">Oh, I see you're reaching out! Go babe, go! </div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1457859343"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:43</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">Or on my side of the bed... Reaching out?? <span class="emote_text">:-)</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"><span class="emote_text"> </span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"><img alt=":-)" class="emote_img" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/blank.gif" style="background-position: 0px 0px;" /></div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:44</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2593712280">I would like to, if okay with you? You can call me on land line...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2593712280"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:45</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">What time does the BS start? Do we go for SA dinner at 4:30? Then go for BS at 6pm.. What's your plan?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:47</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_165093072">Have you checked the health food store? I guess they are meeting at 4:30 to eat. We'll take some macrobiotic foods? Brown rice, seaveggies, miso, hokkaido pumpkin...etc.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_165093072"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:49</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">I dont know what they have...I can come home so u can check what they have here... if you want.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:50</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1075486890">preparing for the radiation... Thank God for the pre radioactive fall out foods we've dried and stored... </div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1075486890"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:50</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">yeah..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:52</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_657631660">Strong aftershock 100 km from Tokyo, tsunami concerns, NO FOOD SALES in contaminated areas. Power to nuke plant not going well..etc., etc. </div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_657631660"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:52</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">do u mind if i stay home so i can work on my midterm... </div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"><span class="emote_text">:-)</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"><span class="emote_text"> </span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"><img alt=":-)" class="emote_img" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/blank.gif" style="background-position: 0px 0px;" /></div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:54</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_4270855735">Best you stay there if you need to finish that. But please, get it done, no more postings, here? Okay to use this in my daily post? As a witness?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_4270855735"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">13:56</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">sure..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:00</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1393742988">Come home, but I will be working, the TV on, how is the strike going? What are your deadlines? Thanks for your witness to God's grace for believers and how ANYONE can get that TODAY! Just (pray) talk to God the Father in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ and ask for His wisdom from the Holy Spirit. Tonight is Supermoon...a sign? We'll go to M&P at 4:00? </div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1393742988"> </div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1393742988"><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:01</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">Did kuya Mel phone you for the BS tonight?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:03</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_388023867">No, message on FB. He invited, we prayed.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_388023867"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:04</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">Kuya Mel added me to his friendslist too..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:05</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm msg_error" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1441416446">Just like u and me R doing. Good about Mel. These are trying times indeed. Come Lord Jesus. (<a href="http://www.facebook.com/ajax/messaging/composer.php?id=648496034&message=Just%20like%20u%20and%20me%20R%20doing.%20Good%20about%20Mel.%20These%20are%20trying%20times%20indeed.%20Come%20Lord%20Jesus.%20" rel="dialog">send as a message</a>)</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg">Your chat message wasn't sent because Annamie is offline.</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg"> </div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg"><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1680212256">C. RU there? Get some sushi from 49th to share? U will be staying home tonight to finish midterm? Can you not spare time for ministry? ? ? ?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2595532128">RU??? Huh huh Lol</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2595532128"><br />
<div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:17</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">Sure I can.... will you answer half of my midterm?? huh??...my back is hurtubg again..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">hurting, I mean I don't have money to buy sushi..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">u only have me 5 bucks.. it went to henny</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">gave</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">deadline of my midterm is when classes resumes..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">u there?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">say something..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">hello??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">BB??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:19</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2989678033">Yes there are challenges. Would if I could, Love. Yes, I'm here, reading u.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2989678033"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:20</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">classes can resume any day next week...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:20</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_430818668">Hmm, call me from Mac?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_430818668"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:20</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">can i do that??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:21</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2653969960">We used to do it on PC</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2653969960"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:21</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">with skype...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">i used to do it too on yahoo</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">with my headphone and mic</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">speaking od headphone..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">i need one for my mac</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">and i think i need a mouse too..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">cant play bejeweled with the trackpad..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:22</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1289250485">Doesn't your Mac have a built in mic and video, we should be able to.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1289250485"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:22</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">its painfully difficult</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">so everybody at the library can hear us??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">i know it has a built in cam and mic</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">i have not used it yet... dont know how to use it yet...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">chatting with you is keeping me busy.. hahaha</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">u there b??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:23</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_367661870">Come, lie down. I'll take care of u? Don't have to... well people talk on their cellphones.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_367661870"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:24</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">i like how it sounds.... made me smile...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:24</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1104365260">cellphonews</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1104365260"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:24</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">B?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:24</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1995519886">Smile awhile and give your face a rest...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1995519886"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:24</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">if i come home, will you lie down with me??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:25</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_4288721287">And then???</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_4288721287"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium 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rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:25</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3364680534">Yes!</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3364680534"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:25</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">thinking about it?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">and then??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">hehehehe</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:26</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3506062623">No1</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3506062623"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:26</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">no? </div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">no to what...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">hello...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">B??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:27</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_906434315">Yes, my impatient one...No, I don't need to think about you coming home, it was you who left. Come home, forget about anything else.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_906434315"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:29</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">what are we having for dinner??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:29</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1655054083">These are the times God has been preparing us for. I want to be with you. "When two or three are gathered in His name, He is here."</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1655054083"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:29</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">broccoli on soup?? is that ok with you??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:30</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2229124039">We'll begin our water fasting today so as to conserve food? B on S is okay.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2229124039"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:30</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">sounds good to me...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">im coming home</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:31</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_4219688525">Amen</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_4219688525"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:31</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">will u lie down with me and rub my back??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:31</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3625822138">Will u rub me back?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3625822138"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:32</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">belly or back??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:32</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1242448880">Lower</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1242448880"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:32</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">patotot or puwet??</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:32</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2281937901">Yes, both</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2281937901"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:33</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">just what i thought you would say...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:33</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_539058392">Still okay to put this online?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2789274538">Lol</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2789274538"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:33</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">sure...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">i will just pick up some broccoli for dinner then i'll go straight home..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">see you in a while</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:33</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3066019056">Whoa...hot stuff! Holy Matrimony!</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3066019056"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:34</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">you better be ready when i come home...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:34</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3324130147">Hurry home...</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_3324130147"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:34</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">you know how impatient i am..</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">ggrrr....</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:34</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1963085711">BYEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_1963085711"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=648496034"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49141_648496034_5534_q.jpg" title="Annamie Colina" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:34</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined">ciao!</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_undefined"> </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><a class="profileLink" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715783539"><img class="uiProfilePhoto profilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" height="1" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186858_715783539_1442512_q.jpg" title="You" width="1" /></a><div class="messages"><div class="metaInfoContainer fss fcg"><span class="hidden_elem"><a href="" rel="dialog"><span class="fcg">Report</span></a> · </span><span class="timestamp">14:35</span></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_2191289888">Notice our pictures?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm msg_error" data-jsid="message" id="msg_648496034_4145130382">Me - me and you. You - you and papa Steven. What's wrong with this? He has hugged and left, I'm sitting here waiting for you... (<a class="" href="http://www.facebook.com/ajax/messaging/composer.php?id=648496034&message=Me%20-%20me%20and%20you.%20You%20-%20you%20and%20papa%20Steven.%20What%27s%20wrong%20with%20this%3F%20He%20has%20hugged%20and%20left%2C%20I%27m%20sitting%20here%20waiting%20for%20you..." rel="dialog">send as a message</a>)</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg">Your chat message wasn't sent because Annamie is offline.</div></div></div> </div>10:53 Be blessed today. I'm going outside to look at the moon.</div></div></div> </div></div></div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg"><br />
</div></div></div></div></div></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-37899643022904213462011-02-28T06:27:00.000-08:002011-02-28T06:27:38.610-08:00The Truth, Life and the Way: Psychiatry is Quackery!<a href="http://waytoeternalife.blogspot.com/2011/02/psychiatry-is-quackery.html?spref=bl">The Truth, Life and the Way: Psychiatry is Quackery!</a>: "Adam Gold Obviously there are 'brain disorders' that are actually medical and medical problems that are obviously 'brain disorders'. There..."Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-73017195956458754652011-02-28T06:17:00.000-08:002011-02-28T06:17:24.664-08:00Psychiatry is Quackery!<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><ul class="commentList"><li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617534 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1071540193" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193">Adam Gold</a> <span data-jsid="text">Obviously there are "brain disorders" that are actually medical and medical problems that are obviously "brain disorders". There is no way to separate the two because everything in the brain affects the body. They cannot be treated separately. All the doctors that I have had know this.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:43:50 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 00:43">23 January at 00:43</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617534 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617534]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617534"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617564 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161610_100001471145370_4043389_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100001471145370" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370">Cess Ssec</a> <span data-jsid="text">Are are you a social worker? That's a ridiculous statement to make...</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:58:05 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 00:58">23 January at 00:58</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617564 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617564]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617564"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617578 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173352_1071540193_763115_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1071540193" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193">Adam Gold</a> <span data-jsid="text">No but I am wholistic.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:01:45 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 01:01">23 January at 01:01</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617578 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617578]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617578"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617607 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161610_100001471145370_4043389_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100001471145370" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370">Cess Ssec</a> <span data-jsid="text"><div class="text_exposed_root" id="id_4d6b8154691d48695697604">“No claim for a gene for a psychiatric condition has stood the test of time, in spite of popular misinformation.” —Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Harvard Medical School psychiatrist<br />
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“….modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biol<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">ogical cause of any single mental illness.” —David Kaiser, psychiatrist<br />
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“In forty years, ‘biological’ psychiatry has yet to validate a single psychiatric condition/diagnosis as an abnormality/disease, or as anything ‘neurological,’ ‘biological,’ ‘chemically-imbalanced’ or ‘genetic.’” —Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., child neurologist, Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology</span><span class="text_exposed_hide"><span class="text_exposed_link"><a href="">See more</a></span></span></div></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:10:06 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 01:10">23 January at 01:10</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617607 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617607]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617607"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617612 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173352_1071540193_763115_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1071540193" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193">Adam Gold</a> <span data-jsid="text">Maybe that did not come off like I meant. I have dealt with severe depression for years and then discovered my hypothyroidism was the cause. I do take my thyroid hormone as well as Cymbalta which resulted in zero depression now but it's all connected is all I meant.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:12:32 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 01:12">23 January at 01:12</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617612 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617612]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617612"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617632 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000572644181" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186978_100000572644181_4981873_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100000572644181" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000572644181">Felicita Luna</a> <span data-jsid="text">Adam Do you have that hypothyroid since birth or due to lack of iodine?</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:18:13 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 01:18">23 January at 01:18</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617632 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617632]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617632"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192922764053452" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617658 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173352_1071540193_763115_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1071540193" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193">Adam Gold</a> <span data-jsid="text"><div class="text_exposed_root" id="id_4d6b815469f059b49744465">Oh, no. I am by no means defending the "psychiatric community". I know they have many human rights abuses and I do not all agree with psychiatric disorder fraud at all, Cess. But it is not a black and white issue. I personally have not had <span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">any bad experiences, only helpful ones. Believe it or not, there is a good honest side to people that are trying to help the community. Labels aside for sure. No one has ever tried to tell me I have any disorder this or that. I am a previous psychology major and I study all sides of the issue.</span><span class="text_exposed_hide"><span class="text_exposed_link"><a href="">See more</a></span></span></div></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:26:31 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 01:26">23 January at 01:26</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617658 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617658]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617658"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617668 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173352_1071540193_763115_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1071540193" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193">Adam Gold</a> <span data-jsid="text">Felicita - I really am not sure. I'll have to look into it.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:30:51 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 01:30">23 January at 01:30</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617668 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617668]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617668"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617760 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41482_715783539_9301_q.jpg" /></a><label class="deleteAction stat_elem UIImageBlock_Ext uiCloseButton uiCloseButton uiCloseButton" for="u109236_5"><input id="u109236_5" name="delete[2617760]" title="Remove" type="submit" /></label><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> <span data-jsid="text">PURE, UNADULTERATED QUAKERY! Thanks for the report! Please see How BC Provincial Court and Forensic Psychiatric Services operate in collusion with Womyns shelters and other SIGs. <a href="http://on.fb.me/e90DEO" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://on.fb.me/e90DEO</a></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:12:45 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 02:12">23 January at 02:12</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617760 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617760]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617760"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192931510719244" rel="dialog">3 people<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617782 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187023_698297649_4024104_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=698297649" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649">Mandy Z Zara</a> <span data-jsid="text">a shrinks job is to find a diagnosis and medicate they are programmed to do this, and will find little boxes to put people in, also connected and sponsored by big pharmaceuticals to endorse products</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:19:23 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 02:19">23 January at 02:19</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617782 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617782]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617782"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192932427385819" rel="dialog">2 people<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617803 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161610_100001471145370_4043389_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100001471145370" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370">Cess Ssec</a> <span data-jsid="text"><div class="text_exposed_root" id="id_4d6b81546b0249245697362">What I am worried about Adam is that you will be passing <br />
indoctrinated misinformation taught in community colleges <br />
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FACT: Psychiatric “disorders” are not medical diseases.<br />
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FACT: Psychiatrists deal exclusively with mental “disorders,”, not proven diseases.<br />
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FACT: Psychiatry has never established the cause of any “mental disorders.”<br />
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FACT: The theory that mental disorders derive from a “chemical imbalance” in the brain is unproven opinion, not fact.<br />
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FACT: The brain is not the real cause of life’s problems.</span><span class="text_exposed_hide"><span class="text_exposed_link"><a href="">See more</a></span></span></div></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:25:59 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 02:25">23 January at 02:25</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617803 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="unlike_comment_id[2617803]" title="Unlike this comment" type="submit" value="2617803"><span class="default_message">Unlike</span><span class="saving_message">Like</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192933527385709" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617873 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161610_100001471145370_4043389_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100001471145370" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370">Cess Ssec</a> <span data-jsid="text"><div class="text_exposed_root" id="id_4d6b81546b8f47f73485356">Psychiatry, is an absolute instrument of social control, it is not medical science. Here's the fraud... <br />
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Billions spent on psychiatry are worse than wasted. One look at our schools or any of the other areas psychiatry promised to improv<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">e – and not only failed to improve, but actually made worse – serves as proof.<br />
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Psychiatry’s promise that its programs would prevent mental “illness” is of interest. At the turn of the century, less than one in 1,000 people were considered mentally ill. After psychiatry secured massive funding increases in the 1960s for “preventive mental health” programs, that number jumped to one in ten. Today, psychiatrists claim that half of the population are candidates for their couches, drugs or electric shock tables.<br />
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Herein lies the basic fraud – the concept of mental illness itself. According to author and professor of psychiatry emeritus, Thomas Szasz, M.D., mental illness itself is a myth. “A disease is a change in tissues rather than behavior,” he said. “Behavior is in the realm of morals, religion and law.”</span><span class="text_exposed_hide"><span class="text_exposed_link"><a href="">See more</a></span></span></div></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:49:06 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 02:49">23 January at 02:49</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617873 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617873]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617873"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2617974 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173352_1071540193_763115_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1071540193" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071540193">Adam Gold</a> <span data-jsid="text">No, I would never try to tell anyone what is right or wrong for their life. Don't believe in dogma, that went out of style with feminist propaganda years ago. It's not as if there is a such thing as crazy but I am certainly open-minded to any proud cases willing to admit it unlike the rest of society. :-D Better that than proclaimations of sanity.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 03:24:37 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 03:24">23 January at 03:24</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2617974 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2617974]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2617974"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2618237 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187023_698297649_4024104_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=698297649" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649">Mandy Z Zara</a> <span data-jsid="text">there is a place for psychiarty, and i know some people that would eithere be dead, or have caused injury to others, just sadley anything that involes man =greed and are sometimes enslaved by their ego of self importance and power infulances choices for th good of the individual</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 04:10:55 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 04:10">23 January at 04:10</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2618237 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2618237]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2618237"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192949557384106" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2618364 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41482_715783539_9301_q.jpg" /></a><label class="deleteAction stat_elem UIImageBlock_Ext uiCloseButton uiCloseButton uiCloseButton" for="u109237_6"><input id="u109237_6" name="delete[2618364]" title="Remove" type="submit" /></label><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> <span data-jsid="text">Man =Greed?? People = Greed!! Greed is not gender specific. Please be politically correct. Sadly men (biological fathers) have by and large suffered in so called Family Courts from these so-called "evaluations" I had to find out the hard way, lost my children! And then became depressed. I survived Effexor, Prozac, group therapy, analysis, etc. <a href="http://on.fb.me/e90DEO" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://on.fb.me/e90DEO</a></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 04:35:41 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 04:35">23 January at 04:35</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2618364 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2618364]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2618364"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192953777383684" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Sheila Story likes this.</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2618503 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187023_698297649_4024104_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=698297649" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649">Mandy Z Zara</a> <span data-jsid="text">i was meaning mankind, as in many litery lititure the way of writing him. and to talk of family courts i myself have suffered in family courts within the family courts its all about who represents you not the truth,</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 05:13:49 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 05:13">23 January at 05:13</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2618503 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2618503]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2618503"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192960887382973" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2618538 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41482_715783539_9301_q.jpg" /></a><label class="deleteAction stat_elem UIImageBlock_Ext uiCloseButton uiCloseButton uiCloseButton" for="u109238_7"><input id="u109238_7" name="delete[2618538]" title="Remove" type="submit" /></label><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> <span data-jsid="text">Thanks Mandy for clarifying that point. Yes it happens to women too. I may be overly sensitive but have been attacked most vilely by local feminazis who do no justice to womens righteous demands. People are all suffering in Family Courts. The father, mother and the children are all losers when forced to depend on such a biased system based on Custody - Access. All one needs to do is look at the statistics around the world. When Dad gets custody it's because mom is not interested or otherwise unavailable.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 05:21:05 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 05:21">23 January at 05:21</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2618538 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2618538]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2618538"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192962207382841" rel="dialog">3 people<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Felicita Luna, Cess Ssec and Mandy Z Zara like this.</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2618737 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161610_100001471145370_4043389_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100001471145370" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370">Cess Ssec</a> <span data-jsid="text">Well put, sad...</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:07:44 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 06:07">23 January at 06:07</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2618737 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2618737]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2618737"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2618964 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001133688664" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49302_100001133688664_7393564_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100001133688664" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001133688664">Jon Jarboe</a> <span data-jsid="text">Physiology was once on the right track, then they started to get paid for drugs. Now their just drug dealers. Anger and depression is not a brain problem, it's a social problem. They are reactions to an action like stealing ones child mat cause a man to set himself on fire in front of a courthouse. If a army invades do the people return fire or get high?</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:39:24 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 06:39">23 January at 06:39</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2618964 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2618964]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2618964"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192978074047921" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2619198 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161610_100001471145370_4043389_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100001471145370" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370">Cess Ssec</a> <span data-jsid="text">“In forty years, ‘biological’ psychiatry has yet to validate a single psychiatric condition/diagnosis as an abnormality/disease, or as anything ‘neurological,’ ‘biological,’ ‘chemically-imbalanced’ or ‘genetic.’” —Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., child neurologist, Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:19:27 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 07:19">23 January at 07:19</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2619198 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2619198]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2619198"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192986894047039" rel="dialog">2 people<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2619280 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187023_698297649_4024104_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=698297649" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649">Mandy Z Zara</a> <span data-jsid="text">well iam no expert and only have my own personal experience with friends, who were i believe rightly diagnosed .one bi polar and the other schizophrenia and seeing over the years being off medication and on, that they lived better less traumatic for them while on med, jus the meds are not great as the side effects , who is to say what is normal, jus so sad for people who have problems manie or voices, a solution, its open to debate, as current solution not great, but in my personal experiences better then nothing</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:32:44 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 07:32">23 January at 07:32</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2619280 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2619280]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2619280"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192989884046740" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2619311 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000572644181" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186978_100000572644181_4981873_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100000572644181" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000572644181">Felicita Luna</a> <span data-jsid="text"><div class="text_exposed_root" id="id_4d6b81546eac88d33807743">How can someone fabricate an illness, fabricate a non scientific method for discovering an illness, and then prescribe drugs for that illness. Which in the Doctors own words, not only have no curative effort on a patient, and actually have <span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">a detrimental effect on the person they are administered to. That is itself causes one to ask they question (as per the clip) who benefits? Well first lets see the results of mass medicating people with poison they don't need. The main two that spring to mind are:<br />
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Scandalous profits made by the pharmaceuticals<br />
Innocent peoples emotions and mental faculties supressed </span><span class="text_exposed_hide"><span class="text_exposed_link"><a href="">See more</a></span></span></div></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:38:30 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 07:38">23 January at 07:38</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2619311 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2619311]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2619311"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192991134046615" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2619385 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187023_698297649_4024104_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=698297649" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649">Mandy Z Zara</a> <span data-jsid="text"><div class="text_exposed_root" id="id_4d6b81546f13e3778902527">sadly the girl who is schizophrenia jumped out of a window and is in a wheelchair when stopping the med, and running from the voices, and the bio polar friend got arrested for breaking into stonehenge, losing his house and business, when h<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">e was low[ i worked with him] he couldn't function, and when high doing bizarre thing and spending money he didn't have, i truly believe the system is so flawed, have another ole friend who got lost in the system and the meds has changed her whole being, and don't believe was right for he r</span><span class="text_exposed_hide"><span class="text_exposed_link"><a href="">See more</a></span></span></div></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:52:18 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 07:52">23 January at 07:52</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2619385 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2619385]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2619385"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192994247379637" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2619397 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161610_100001471145370_4043389_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100001471145370" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001471145370">Cess Ssec</a> <span data-jsid="text"><div class="text_exposed_root" id="id_4d6b81546f7408103539442">Really. Mandy Z Zara? You actually believe it's better than than nothing? Why don't you watch this clip I just posted a few minutes ago from my Youtube channel to accompany this article and tell me if you still feel the same way after you f<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">inished viewing it...<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVYCddabpOw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>http://www.youtube.com/wat</span><wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>ch?v=EVYCddabpOw</a></span><span class="text_exposed_hide"><span class="text_exposed_link"><a href="">See more</a></span></span></div></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:53:30 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 07:53">23 January at 07:53</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2619397 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2619397]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2619397"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192994497379612" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2619477 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187023_698297649_4024104_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=698297649" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698297649">Mandy Z Zara</a> <span data-jsid="text"><div class="text_exposed_root" id="id_4d6b81546feac2c08415206">ok ill watch, as i said can only speak from my own personal experience with people i have known throughout the years and seen the off on,and yes my other ole time friend, iv seen from 18 where i met her when i was in hoistaple when i attem<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">pted suicide and seen her deteriorate with the meds, that i fortunately was given a choice and had a good team who got it right, then was moved to another team who wanted me on meds that i disagreed and got independent help, and thankful that was in a position to choose and move away from the system as my friends didn't or couldent, just to say there is many side to a debate many different experiences, and the present model does not fit as governed by money that can influence drs in a position of trust</span><span class="text_exposed_hide"><span class="text_exposed_link"><a href="">See more</a></span></span></div></span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:09:27 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 08:09">23 January at 08:09</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2619477 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2619477]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2619477"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=192998007379261" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Cess Ssec likes this.</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2619951 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431106231" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/23228_1431106231_7796_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1431106231" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431106231">Dana Lawhon</a> <span data-jsid="text">To all who really want to see the truth watch the documentary "The Marketing Of Madness" I don't expect anybody to take my word for anything just watch the movie and listen to what the experts have to say about this subject.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:37:42 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 09:37">23 January at 09:37</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2619951 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2619951]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2619951"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=193019420710453" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2620119 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001518806383" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/174501_100001518806383_631983_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100001518806383" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001518806383">Dennis Radu</a> <span data-jsid="text">this has bin going on way before any of us were ever born.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:08:55 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 10:08">23 January at 10:08</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2620119 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2620119]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2620119"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=193026894043039" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Loading...</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2620382 ufiItem ufiItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431106231" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/23228_1431106231_7796_q.jpg" /></a><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1431106231" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431106231">Dana Lawhon</a> <span data-jsid="text">exactly but I so often get called a liar so I just give people the facts and let them read them for themselves that is why I wrote the message to Mandy and others the way that I did.</span><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg"><abbr data-date="Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:48:59 -0800" title="Sunday, 23 January 2011 at 10:48">23 January at 10:48</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_2620382 fsm fwn fcg"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[2620382]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="2620382"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=193036094042119" rel="dialog">1 person<span class="uiTooltipWrap bottom center centerbottom"><span class="uiTooltipText">Felicita Luna likes this.</span></span></a></span></div></div></div></li>
<li class="uiUfiComment comment_2884106 ufiItem ufiItem uiUfiUnseenItem"><div class="UIImageBlock clearfix uiUfiActorBlock"><a class="actorPic UIImageBlock_Image UIImageBlock_SMALL_Image" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07" tabindex="-1"><img alt="" class="uiProfilePhoto uiProfilePhotoMedium img" src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41482_715783539_9301_q.jpg" /></a><label class="deleteAction stat_elem UIImageBlock_Ext uiCloseButton uiCloseButton uiCloseButton" for="u223842_1"><input id="u223842_1" name="delete[2884106]" title="Remove" type="submit" /></label><div class="commentContent UIImageBlock_Content UIImageBlock_SMALL_Content"><a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> <span data-jsid="text">Thanks Dana Lawhorn for pointing the way to the the truth. I highly recommend watching the documentary "The Marketing Of Madness". Too often we let "wolves with their sheepskins" rule our lives. Screw these x- spurts. They know more and more about less and less! Paxil, Zoloft, Prozac, Effexxor, group, psychiatrists, psychologists...they are ALL the same! Seeking worldly answers and income. Its all about the money. Forget it, look to your Creator for truthful answers.</span></div></div></li>
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<b>"Religion is HELL on Earth - God is Love!"</b> <br />
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I was raised <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England">Church of England</a>, Anglican. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism">Baptized</a> (sprinkled at the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptismal_font">Baptismal Font</a>) with <a href="http://anglican.nb.ca/pgrbay/baptism/godprtjd.html">Godparents</a>, attended <a href="http://www.stmatthewsanglicanchurch.com/worship-teaching/teachings-courses/confirmation-class/">Confirmation Classes</a>, <a href="http://edmonton.anglican.org/pdf/Bishops.pdf">confirmed by Bishop Burch</a> at Edmonton, Alberta at 14, I took Church vows in my own name for myself. I became an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altar_server">altar server</a> at <a href="http://www.sttimothy-edm.ca/">St. Timothy's Anglican Church</a>, helping the minister with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist#Anglican">candles, elements, etc</a>.<br />
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At 15 a number of things happened that led me to begin rethinking things for myself. My best friend, in Grade 10 at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Sheppard_High_School">Ross Sheppard Composite High School</a> was David Day. Wanting to make money, we joined the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Loyal_Edmonton_Regiment_%284th_Battalion,_Princess_Patricia%27s_Canadian_Light_Infantry%29">Loyal Edmonton Regiment militia (army)</a> and we spent the summer of 1965 in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFB_Wainwright">Camp Wainwright</a> where they had church parades, that I don't recall ever attending. <br />
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In Grade Eleven, David attended <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasper_Place_Composite_High_School">Jasper Place Composite High</a> and I continued attending Ross Sheppard. David introduced me to his new friends at a JPCH <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sock_hop">sockhop</a>, and so I met Linda Singleton. David's girlfriend was Pat and mine was Linda for the few dates we went on using David's father's car, a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Isis">1958 Morris Isis</a>. Later, when David was attending U of A in Honours Physics, he was forced out of the program by his lack of money. However David became a Mormon and began inviting me to church functions. He also changed majors and went into law. He told me that his new goal was to make as much money as possible, because the poor can't help themselves, but the rich can help many...<br />
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At 16, in Grade Eleven, my best friend was Gary Slobodan. <br />
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At 17 I met Ginny Arial through a friend from Camp Wainwright, Rob Sarrasin. Gary and I had the sometimes use of his <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r39EM7X3T24">1950 Studebaker</a> when it was running and Rob would help out by putting gas in it. On this particular night we were planning to go to the <a href="http://maps.google.ca/maps/place?hl=en&sugexp=nsp2&xhr=t&cp=46&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=aZj&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Prince+Charles+Community+Hall%2BEdmonton,+Alberta&fb=1&gl=ca&hq=Prince+Charles+Community+Hall&hnear=Edmonton,+AB&cid=13224731549215693840">Prince Charles Community League Hall</a> dance, and we were driving around when Rod said he needed to stop for his date. We went to "Connie's" house, and when Rob came back to the car he had two girls and he asked me which of the two girls with him I would like to take to the dance. I took him aside and asked how old the girls were, and when he told me 14, I knew we wouldn't be able to get in to the dance and besides I had no money, except for my own admission. Rob told me to borrow some money from his brother Ray who lived also across from the hall. His brother had no money, so we decided to drive around and that is when Ginny sat beside me, our first "date".<br />
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Ginny filled me in. Her mother, Louise, was born in Amsterdam and came to Canada, a war bride to her father, Noel Arial, . When her mother was abandoned with their three children and subsequently divorced by Noel, so she was <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm">excommunicated</a> by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Rome">Church of Rome</a>. After a few more "dates", I met her father Noel, a taxicab owner - operator at United Cabs who used to tease us about <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuG_fTwoUoU">Puppy Love</a> and my "dates" with his daughter.<br />
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Ginny was attending Faith Temple, a Pentecostal church in an old movie theater on 118 Ave just off of 124 Street when I met her in September, 1965. She attended with her friend Penny Millette and they were asking if I would like to attend. Later, I met Penny's boyfriend, Noel Brown and he filled me in on his experience. He had attended and said everyone was speaking "in tongues". He decided to join them and was getting carried away when the pastor asked him to leave...Also on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquee_%28sign%29">marquee sign</a> the Church had put, "JESUS SAVES" and on their sign across 118 Ave., Safeway had put, "Safeway SAVES you MORE." Eventually I told Ginny to get out of that church or forget me.<br />
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I began to drift away from Church attendance, shortly before I met Ginny. But Ginny and I were told by Mom and Dad Slater that St. Timothy's needed someone to clean up the church on Saturdays, so for spending money, we used to clean the church...<br />
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Continued... wherein you will come to understand why I now say: <br />
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<b>"Religion is HELL on Earth - God is Love!"</b>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-79339351653420994812011-01-23T00:35:00.000-08:002011-01-23T00:42:04.838-08:00"No one can hurt YOU unless you allow THEM to do so"<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"><b>"No one can hurt YOU unless you allow THEM to do so"</b><br />
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Because so many want different things, and you may not like what I have to say, Facebook has made allowances. If you would like to change your settings regarding notifications, likes, comments, unfriend, or block me, etc. it is within YOUR sole power to do so. Go to Account in the upper right of your page, click on and follow the menus there.<br />
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Blogger and YouTube has done similar. I welcome feedback, just keep it clean please. <br />
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To my son, I am writing a response to your recent message, but have other pressing matters also. Today I am involved to scattering the ashes of a dear friend and involved in counseling seekers whose lives are in turmoil. I never know how the advice I give will be received, but I seek, in prayer and depend on the Holy Spirit for the results.<br />
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I like a comment I once heard about that.<br />
"If in sharing something to people, someone complains, you just hit them with that."<br />
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" Please remember, "No one can hurt YOU unless you allow THEM to do so"<br />
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Love, Chris</div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-23834747554266157132011-01-18T06:38:00.000-08:002011-01-18T06:47:23.516-08:00Judge Judy - Stop False Accusations<a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=475803505300#%21/video/video.php?v=1492071272584&oid=2304974332&comments&cmntid=1635390135466">Judge Judy</a><br />
Stop False Accusations<br />
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<a class="actorName" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=715783539" href="http://www.facebook.com/cjslater07">Chris J. Slater</a> <span data-jsid="text"><div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed" id="id_4d35a3b534d3c4729459497">After my two Filipina ex's, their family and friends (they used me to get to Canada) took my children, wealth and health with fraud, false pretenses, false allegations, death threats, wrongful conviction and perjury, I was forced to become <span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">an INDIGENT litigant. I highly recommend it to EVERYONE before you loose everything (including your life!) like I almost did. This is for BC, YOU HAVE the SAME rights in you country! <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AJCK8Mj9BfuwJ%3Awww.familylaw.lss.bc.ca%2Fresources%2Fcourt_forms.asp+Indigent%2C+BC&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://webcache.googleuser<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>content.com/search?q=cache<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>%3AJCK8Mj9BfuwJ%3Awww.fami<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>lylaw.lss.bc.ca%2Fresource<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>s%2Fcourt_forms.asp+Indige<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>nt%2C+BC&cd=2&hl=en&ct=cln<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>k&gl=ca&client=firefox-a</a><br />
and the Application is at: <a href="http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/courts/forms/sup_family/F85.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/co<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>urts/forms/sup_family/F85.<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>pdf</a><br />
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You have a RIGHT to complain! But you don't necessarily get JUSTICE!<br />
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In British Columbia, Canada I went to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police who refused to investigate my CRIMINAL complaints, they told me to go to the Courthouse and swear a PRIVATE INFORMATION which was heard in closed session by the Justice of the Peace and DISMISSED. <br />
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I had five complaints against the RCMP before the Commissioner for Public Complaints against the RCMP. I have been arrested 5 times on their lies and I maintain I am suffering from PTSD as a result of what they have done to me and OUR children... <br />
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I've finally located my children and do the best I can to expose them to the TRUTH of what happened. Tina recently asked me: "Dad do you think we are blind or naive? We see what is happening." And for the record, I believe God does too. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER give up!</span><span class="text_exposed_hide"><span class="text_exposed_link"> </span></span></div></span><abbr data-date="Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:18:39 -0700" title="Friday, 05 November 2010 at 15:18">05 November 2010 at 15:18</abbr> · <span class="uiTextSubtitle comment_like_877427"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[877427]" title="Like this comment" type="submit" value="877427"><span class="default_message">Like</span><span class="saving_message">Unlike</span></button> · <img alt="" class="cmt_like_icon img" height="9" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/yF/r/tddUIK01p63.png" width="10" /> <a class="uiTooltip comment_like_button" href="http://www.facebook.com/ajax/browser/likes/?node=1635390135466" rel="dialog">3 people</a></span>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-80811621237271232722011-01-11T14:13:00.000-08:002011-01-11T14:13:59.452-08:00Right to Life for All<b><span data-jsid="text">I believe children are a gift from God. </span></b><br />
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<span data-jsid="text">It takes a man, a woman and God to physically make a child. </span><br />
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<span data-jsid="text">If the man, the woman or both simply wanted the momentary, passing pleasure of fornication without responsibility, never intended or don't want to live together now and parent the child they conceived to adulthood, why should that child be deprived of its life? Or primary relationships?</span><br />
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<span data-jsid="text">There are many who truly desire a child to parent to responsible adulthood. Why should anyone lose out on a relationship with this child? God gives us a choice as to whether we want a relationship with Him, why do we as humans want to deny another the same right? It is wrong to deny the child so conceived a life not knowing mother, father or God for our own personal, selfish reasons. </span><br />
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<span data-jsid="text">Without the Ten Commandments (does anyone know them anymore?) to guide us, we are truly a lost people as are our future generations. In the USA, terrorists have killed 3,000 since 1990, but since yesterday over 4,000 people lost their lives to the abortionist. </span><br />
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<span data-jsid="text">I have lost a child to abortion, was told about it by the mother and her husband 6 months after the fact. I have been denied a relationship by two ex-wives to our three children I fathered with them, purely for their own selfishness, foolish reasons and religions. </span><br />
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<span data-jsid="text">The current gender biased, court based system of custody - access needs to be replaced by a <b>presumption of shared parenting</b> that respects all parties</span>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03601733603728004341noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6582419801351191192.post-92140481125558140122011-01-08T23:41:00.000-08:002011-01-09T00:27:38.979-08:00Jesus or religion?<div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_100000266717072_undefined">LF Hello r u there?</div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:26</span><br />
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LF i am</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:26</span><br />
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CS Whatzzup?</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:27</span><br />
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LF How did U end up building a p------- page? </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:29</span><br />
<div class="messages"><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_100000266717072_undefined"><br />
CS I didn't, if you scroll down to the beginning it was started for those in the 70's and 80's. Did you know my sisters, Penny or Linda S?</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:30</span><br />
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LF No, but wonder where the others are.</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:31</span><br />
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CS P-------- was started by Shonagh M If you build it, they will come...<br />
23 July 2007 at 09:01 ·</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_100000266717072_undefined"><br />
CS P------- "Palma Non Sine Pulvere - No Reward Without Effort"</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:36</span><br />
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LF Huh?</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:37</span><br />
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CS <a href="http://www.google.ca/">http://www.google.ca</a><span class="timestamp fss fcg"> </span><br />
<span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:38</span></div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><div class="messages"><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_100000266717072_undefined"><br />
LF Again, huh, please explain</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_100000266717072_undefined">Without the WWW stuff...</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:39</span><br />
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CS Click on the link, it'll take you to the website. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/">http://en.wikipedia.org</a> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:41</span><br />
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LF I must say goodnight. Thanks for all your work!!! L</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:41</span><br />
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CS Goodnight. u welcome.</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:42</span><br />
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LF k - Are you still online?</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:45</span><br />
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CS Yes</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:46</span><br />
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LF why do u want to connect with all the p-view folks?</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_100000266717072_undefined">Like who cares?</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:48</span><br />
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CS I'm interested in my history and also hoping to reconnect with old friends and yes, I care what became of them.</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:51</span><br />
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LF OK good</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:51</span><br />
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CS I guess many don't care, as for me, I have been a seeker all my life, but I didn't understand the purpose of life until 1995. </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:52</span><br />
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LF So what happened in 1995?</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:53</span><br />
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CS I was contemplating suicide, all my travel, money and relationships felt like a total waste of time.</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:56</span><br />
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LF Suicide is never the answer</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:56</span><br />
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CS Why?</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">22:58</span><br />
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LF It is a very selfish answer to what people think is the right thing to do. </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">23:02</span><br />
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CS To a person who has lost hope, it is another way of "self-medicating". Some commit suicide on the installment plan; alcohol, drugs, food, sex, anything so they don't have to think about their purpose. Obviously I didn't do it although there are number of psychopaths in my history who wouldn't be bothered by my taking that way out.</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">23:06</span><br />
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LF Please don't ever consider suicide as an answer for anything!!! I will formulate an answer to you... pay attention...</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">23:09</span><br />
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CS Is your answer from personal experience? Or what you've been told to believe? The worst abuse I've experienced is from wolves in sheep's clothing - Deceivers, religious demons.</div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">23:11</span><br />
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LF I've been trained.. I have a masters degree in Counselling. OK plus personal experience .</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm" data-jsid="message" id="msg_100000266717072_undefined">OK 've come along on-line...never want to place myself as any expert for your life. Live yourself. </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">23:18</span><br />
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CS Do you now have a personal, direct relationship with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? My current wife has 2 degrees, a bachelor and master from UP and is in the fourth year of her psych degree at Vancouver Island University. We are together today because we are both believers. </div></div></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">23:23</span><br />
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LF Sorry, still there? I am a believer.</div></div></div><div class="clearfix mhs mbs fbChatConvItem fbChatConvStatus"><span class="message fsm fcg">LF is offline.</span><span class="mls timestamp rfloat fss fcg">23:26</span></div><div class="mhs mbs pts fbChatConvItem pts fbChatMessageGroup clearfix small"><span class="timestamp fss fcg">23:26</span><br />
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CS In what? Religion or Jesus? How do you relate your worldly training to your spiritual beliefs? (Send as a message)</div><div class="fbChatMessage errorMsg fsm fcg">Your chat message wasn't sent because LF is offline.</div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm msg_error" data-jsid="message" id="msg_100000266717072_2629665161"></div><div class="fbChatMessage fsm msg_error" data-jsid="message" id="msg_100000266717072_2629665161"><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">FROM: DEB KELLER - Court Clerk / Duncan Registry</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">RE: FAMILY FILE 6290 CHRISTOPHER SLATER v. HELEN SLATER </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Mr. Slater's psychological assessment</span> regarding his <span class="highlight">criminal trial</span> is now in this family file as per your instructions. </span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733">Mr. Allan, <span class="text_exposed_show">counsel for Helen Slater has inquired if he can have access to the assessment. </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Please advise if the registry can forward a copy to him. If not, he will make an application to the court, but he would prefer not to. Thank you. </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Nov 5/99 JUDGE KAY ADVISED VIA PHONE THAT MR. ALLAN MAY HAVE COPY OF ASSESSMENT.</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Dec 16 2005 – IN COURT FILE, NANAIMO F31825 TRANSFERRED FROM DUNCAN – </span></span></span></b><br />
<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">This document Obtained by <span style="background-color: #ffff66; color: black;">Chris J. Slater</span> during search of the courthouse file on 20101213. </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show"> To </span></span></span></b><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://en-gb.connect.facebook.com/cjslater07"><b style="background-color: #ffff66; color: black;">Chris J. Slater</b></a></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span class="messageBody"><span id="id_4d182c72f08e86566007991"> <b>of Nanaimo this is a matter of an Invasion
of Privacy by Judge Judith Kay of Duncan, B.C., Canada; Donald Allan
of Duncan, B.C., Canada, counsel for Helen Octaviano Smith, now of Bremerton
WA and Master John Horn of Nanaimo, BC, Canada did, with the intent to
defraud and take away the parenting of his two children, Christopher Joseleno Slater and Christina Rivera Slater. They did so as to circumvent the </b></span></span><b>Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act [RSBC 1996] CHAPTER
165 <a href="http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/ID/freeside/96165_00">http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/ID/freeside/96165_00</a></b></span><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Judge Judith Kay, was the Judge in Family Court, Duncan, BC, Canada in the matter of custody of the child, Sarah Joy Slater. She instructed Deb Keller, Court Clerk, to go into another file in a Provincial Court of B.C. Criminal Matter wherein Helen Slater, wife of the accused alleged "Spousal Assault" and so obtain Mr. Slater's psychological assessment, which was obtained in a <span class="highlight">Criminal trial</span> before Judge Keith Bracken of the Provincial Court of Duncan B.C during June and July 1998. (Transcript of trial on File)</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Chris J. Slater was, in his opinion, wrongfully convicted based solely on Helen Slater's perjury to obtain a conviction and so obtain sole custody of the child of the marriage, Sarah Joy Slater, there being no other witnesses or medical reports. </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">When found guilty by Judge Keith Bracken, Mr. Slater continued to protest his innocence. </span></span><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Judge Bracken then asked him if he would like "Psychological assistance to help you deal with my conviction". </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Mr. Slater agreed and so went to Victoria to speak with Dr. S. Lohrasbe of the Adult Forensic Psychiatric Out Patient Services ("Forensics"). Mr. Slater thought Dr. Lohrasbe would help him adjust to what he felt was a wrongful conviction. In fact, this was a pre-sentencing report ordered by Judge Keith Bracken. </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Dr. Lohrasbe, in the opinion of Mr. Slater sought to confirm and verify Judge Bracken's conviction decision. Donald Allan, a lawyer in Duncan, obtained this assessment and gave a copy to his Family Court client, Helen Slater who sought custody of Sarah Joy Slater.</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Mr. Slater was convicted of assaulting Helen Slater by Judge Bracken of PCBC Criminal Court. Helen thus gained "sole custody" of Sarah Joy Slater.</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Later at the Nanaimo courthouse, when Mr. Slater was making his case for his right to access his children in Nanaimo, Christopher and Christina Slater, during a break, Helen Slater was seen to give Bill Lea (Stepfather) a brown manila envelope. They saw Mr. Slater standing in the window and shared the most evil grin to him. Mr. Slater wondered what was in the envelope, but was soon found out.</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Bill Lea from the beginning of his relationship with Maria Slater, unwilling to accept parenting of the children, Chris and Tina by Mr. Slater. First he knew of Maria's new relationship was when he arrived at her apartment on Barron's Road, Nanaimo for a scheduled access, there was no answer on the front door intercom. Mr. Slater walked around to the ground level suite at the back of the building, and the suite was VACANT! </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></span><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Mr. Slater had what he considered a fair and reasonable Supreme Court of BC order from Justice Ross Lander (Mr. Justice C. Ross Lander 1982 - 2007), which Bill would not accept. He began to use his lawyer, Glenn Sinclair <a href="http://bit.ly/g3tkiw">http://bit.ly/g3tkiw</a></span></span><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show"> and others to frustrate that order. When Mr. Slater next appeared in the Nanaimo Courthouse, it was in response to an affidavit sworn by Maria Lea before Glenn Sinclair. Mr. Slater received a copy of it at his home a few days before the hearing. </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">On the way to the Courtroom, Mr. Slater shared the elevator with Mr. Sinclair and advised him that his Privacy had been invaded, that they were in violation of the Privacy Act of B.C. Mr. Sinclair's response? We'll see.</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">The hearing was held before Master John Horn, and at the first mention of the Psychiatric Assessment, Mr. Slater objected. Master Horn said, "Yes, Yes Mr. Slater, Objection noted, now what do you have to say about this Assessment?" Master Horn then proceeded to take away guardianship of our children and my access, based upon this flawed Assessment. </span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">Mr. Slater has another Psychiatric reports from Dr. Molyneaux of Nanaimo that gives him a clean bill of health. Dr Robin Richard Newmarch Molineux -- psychiatrist Specialty: Psychiatry - medical field specializing in the prevention, assessment, diagnosis, treatment, and rehabilitation of the mind and mental illness. Telephone: 250-753-2311 Address: 24-1515 Dufferin Cres, Nanaimo BC V9S 2B8, Canada</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span id="id_4d182c72f0ac86186662733"><span class="text_exposed_show">This courthouse memo was one of many used by Helen Venus Slater (now Smith of Bremerton,Washington), Bill Lea (D.O.B. August 20, 1947 - deceased, formerly of Nanaimo) and Maria Slater, Lea (now living in an undisclosed common-law marriage with John Goobie somewhere in Comox, BC), their Legal and Courthouse friends and associates to deprive Mr. Slater of a relationship and parenting of Chris, Tina and Sarah Slater.</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span class=" text_exposed" id="id_4d182c73003c72d87214459">DOCUMENTARY PROOF of Helen Octaviano's False Witness, Perjury, Fraud, Hostile Aggressive Parenting (HAP), Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS), Contempt of BC Provincial and Supreme Courts, KIDNAP and ABDUCTION from Canada to Bremerton, Washington, USA of our daughter SARAH JOY SLATER. Further, <span class="text_exposed_show">Brent and Helen Smith have changed her name to Sarah Joy Slater-Smith so as to register Sarah in the Bremerton School district.</span></span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span class=" text_exposed" id="id_4d182c73003c72d87214459"><span class="text_exposed_show">FOOTNOTE: Christina Rivera Slater, at the age of 14, did on October 11, 2011 did commit suicide by hanging herself from a tree in Salish Park, Comox, B.C. so as to escape the misery of being abducted to Comox, B.C. by her abusive mother, Maria Lea.</span></span></span></b></div>
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